Woodsy wood scent - a bit deep, a bit dark, a bit dry, and definitely masculine. Any suggestions?

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Odin 07 Tanoke, it does have incense and a bit of smoke, but is very much dark brown.

I would suggest Montana Graphite for a cedar hit, but it's probably too cheap.

Thanks, Tanoke was on my list as well for sampling, so good to hear that corroborated as relevant. Slightly perturbed by the violet in Graphite but I'll give it a go. No problem with cheapies at all, if anything they're a good way of 'getting' a sense of what I want - I lack the depth of knowledge and testing most people have here, so the more I try, the more I can use to compare, rather than relying on vague descriptions. Thanks!

I'm fairly certain that freewheeling meant Bentley for Men Absolute, which truly could not have less in common with Intense so I would absolute-ly (sorry, couldn't help myself) not discount it based on association. It really does fit your stated ideal quite closely; it prominently features VERY dry notes of papyrus & Atlas cedar, has excellent projection & longevity (MUCH better than Intense, in my experience, though again they really couldn't be more different), & feels very niche. I, like you, am a lover of woody fragrances, & BfM Absolute is definitely the dryest in my collection. Even if it doesn't turn out to be your holy grail I think you'd be very happy to have it regardless, especially considering the price it can be had for online. That's my top recommendation based on your criteria. I think hednic also makes an excellent recommendation, per usual, with YSL Splendid Woods. Wonderwood is a good recommendation as well, & I would also add Chanel Sycamore might be a solid contender. Keep us posted, I'll be curious to know if you find "the one".

Yes, that would make more sense. I have a sample of both so I'll try out Absolute again now. I didn't think it was too bad tbh but a bit too 'aromechemical' (I have no other way to describe what I perceive as 'vague, designer-y, mass-pleasing, synthetic type smells that I cannot register as actual 'notes' or accords) for my liking. However, I'm going to try it out right now to see...

Yeah, it's how I remember it. It does smell good but it almost smells...bubblegum-esque? I get a really, really subtle Oud when I dig my nose in, and of course a synthetic cedar, but is that the olibanum that's giving it this slightly spicy, slighty sweet, orientla pungency? Maybe not bubblegum...but like an oriental candy? Interesting. In my memory, this had fused with the Dunhill Icon series (particularly the gold bottle with Oud in it) and smelling it again just reiterates that. It's the 'aromatic' thing that I cannot describe. Is it just similar carrier alcohol/oils that give it this shared heart? No idea. Anyway, it's not bad, but not exactly what I'm hoping for because of the mass appealing elements which obscure the actual notes, for me. What would you recommend as a niche and/or less mainstream cousin or sibling of this?
 

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satyen, speckmann0706, sjg3839, mrmorel, Emanuel76.

Thanks, all noted down. Particularly keen to try Bowmakers, it was already on my list so good to see it recommended.

It's often difficult to jump inside someone's head to fully understand what they are describing, but 3 that come to mind (I own and enjoy all of them) that have masculine woody elements and sound to me like what you may be looking for are:

1 - Roja H The Exclusive Black Tier
2- Chopard Oud Malaki
3 - Creed Royal Oud as others have mentioned

This is very, very true. I'm not sure how well I've done in actually describing what I want because it's quite impressionistic but people with significant knowledge of notes/accords, like on this site, will maybe discount the actual 'vibe' I'm going for for a more specific note, because it's more appropriate to the way I've described it. Which...ultimately...means all of this can feel like shooting in the dark at times. Thanks for your suggestions though, Oud Malaki in particular looks promising.

(As a side note, I'm not really a lover of leather - particularly realistic leathers, or where it's strong/one of the dominant notes. Raspberry likewise when it's used to offset it. Tuscan Leather, Acqua di Parma Leather, Polo Supreme Leather - I can appreciate them, but they're not my vibe. Smell like a brand new handbag and therefore smell feminine to me. Don't mind some suedey and/or dirty leather further back in the blend, but any 'brand new' leather notes have always jarred with me.)
 

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I would recommend getting a sample of Woodcut by Olympic Orchids. Definitely dark brown and woody to the extreme.

Thanks, I really like the look of the notes for this.

I have found that notes can be a bit deceiving though. Or, at least, they obviously don't come close to giving the full picture. In terms of notes, TF's Oud Wood sounds just about perfect - a subtle oud, some dominant softer woods, some spices and sweetness adding depth and breadth to it all. Note-wise it sounds perfect and yet I'm so let down by the actual thing.

Anyway, thanks. Woodcut sounds great!
 

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Yes, that would make more sense. I have a sample of both so I'll try out Absolute again now. I didn't think it was too bad tbh but a bit too 'aromechemical' (I have no other way to describe what I perceive as 'vague, designer-y, mass-pleasing, synthetic type smells that I cannot register as actual 'notes' or accords) for my liking. However, I'm going to try it out right now to see...

Yeah, it's how I remember it. It does smell good but it almost smells...bubblegum-esque? I get a really, really subtle Oud when I dig my nose in, and of course a synthetic cedar, but is that the olibanum that's giving it this slightly spicy, slighty sweet, orientla pungency? Maybe not bubblegum...but like an oriental candy? Interesting. In my memory, this had fused with the Dunhill Icon series (particularly the gold bottle with Oud in it) and smelling it again just reiterates that. It's the 'aromatic' thing that I cannot describe. Is it just similar carrier alcohol/oils that give it this shared heart? No idea. Anyway, it's not bad, but not exactly what I'm hoping for because of the mass appealing elements which obscure the actual notes, for me. What would you recommend as a niche and/or less mainstream cousin or sibling of this?
Yeah, & that was the one thing about it that have me pause when thinking to recommend it... because while it is incredibly dry, & to me the paper like woodiness of the papyrus is certainly prominent, but otherwise I find this dominated by spicy incenses & resins, no doubt where you're getting a bit of a slightly fruity/bubblegum thing. I really like the fragrance a lot & I am legit happy & consistently impressed with the performance... but admittedly I don't reach for it very often. It's a lil too buttoned up for my style to wear casually or with any regularity, but on a cool autumn or winter day dressed sharp in a comfy sweater it truly is fucking awesome. TL;DR I think it's great & I'm really happy to have it in my collection, but it's too rare that I feel the occasion to wear it.
It seems that you're very well versed in your fragrances, niche & high end, & it seems you have a very distinct palete from refining your tastes over a good bit of exploration, so I feel like you might be familiar with much of what I'd offer... But have you tried Nasomatto's Duro or Montale's Aoud Musk? They're very similar, but I'd say Duro is more no frills very masculine, whereas Aoud Musk while very dry & similarly quite masculine has a more fuzzy & perfumey quality about it. I own & love both. You might try the Duro first - again, if you're not already familiar. I also feel inclined to mention another in the same vein, a middle Eastern perfume called Sheik Al Oud - which is all about straight up dark dry masculine woods. Not at all a stinky oud. No rose. Very classy. Also, maybe try Montale's Red Vetyver. Very dry, woody vetiver. I feel like there's something else that's screaming at me to think of it, but at the moment I can't for the life of me.


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Might be worth sampling...

Thanks, I've got full bottles of the other two Noirs, but never wear and am looking to sell them off. For some reason I just assumed Anthracite would be more of the same buy danker/muskier/maybe even more powder. I think it might have got 'mixed' in my head with Narciso Rodriguez For Him - similar colour bottle etc. I'm liking the notes I'm reading, so definitely going to sample, cheers.

@d.bishkoff

Thanks again. It's definitely the resinous part of it, no doubt, but I've been sampling quite a lot of incense-based and resinous fragrances recently and I think the pure 'false' nature of the accord here, which feels utterly dominated by this blast of 'a.n. aroma', is the dealbreaker for me. I feel bad for dumping on what is a fragrance that smells good from a distance, and is probably really great for younger people, especially if you don't want to blow the bank. I'm speaking from a reactive position as I've never owned more than a sample, so bear that in mind. But it's just got this 'heart' that I don't like - if I want synthetic, just go the whole hog and give me Sauvage or something that smells completely artifical. With this - a rich, deep, brown wood scent - I don't want artificiality, if that makes sense? Because of the type of notes involved? Anyway, I think this shows the inherent difficulty in relying on vague descriptions, and allusions to certain notes without really nailing them down, when asking for help.

I actually disagree with your kind praise (thank you). I'm relatively inexperienced in terms of trying scents out - only really got back in to fragrances last year after a time away from them - and although I'm really starting to enjoy the relative luxury of niche and high end designers, I'm by no means put off by cheaper houses. I think Lalique, for instance, is fantastic, and was my first gateway in to less mass-pleasing fragrances. I just feel like I am now 'done' with - and I'm struggling for the word here - 'mainstream' designer synthetic type scents that smell like a 'cologne'. Or; that have that 'spine' of alcoholic, aromatic, sort-of-fresh-and-cleanliness that I recognise in men's fragrances from the late 90s through to today. Sauvage being the pinnacle - synthetic, not 'bad' smelling, but absolutely not what I want to smell like (unless, say, post gym or on a rare night out where I really do want to smelly solely synthetic and mass appealing). All of that is a really long way to say...please don't hesitate to suggest things and/or educate me, because I'm more than willing to learn.

I haven't tried any of the Nasomattos or Montales, so thanks, I'll add those to the list. I believe Red Vetyver is sort of similar to TbH minus the citrus (again, haven't tried, relying on previous conversations). I've sort of mentally scratched vetiver-centric scents out as I own Grey Vetiver and it's too fresh/bright/transparent for what I'm after (it really is a specifi, opaque woodiness...which the more I try to describe it, the more I think I just want to smell like a piece of unfinished mahogany, ebony, or maybe rosewood with some supporting notes. As a side note, I tried Gucci Guilty Absolute, and that's way too 'woodshop' for my liking - woodshavings + leather.)

Is the Sheikh Al Oud by Ard al Zaafaran, as a few results are coming up on google? I actually think a good quality Oud isn't miles away from what I want, so thanks, I'll try that too. Because I don't think the scent I'm after has actually been made. I read reviews and hear SO MANY fragrances casually (lazily?) described as a lumberjack scent, or a cabin-in-the-woods scent. Yet that's sort of what I'm after - not freshly felled pine, nor something animalic (wore Oud Wood Intense, got told I smelt like cat piss), but a natural, dank woodiness like Encre Noire has, but a bit more wearable/versatile (I've tried the flankers, the original is comfortably the best in my opinion). Something like a hint of smokeiness, like from a chimney or fire, wouldn't be too bad. Or some 'human' sweetness etc etc. And still, nothing comes close to Oud Wood in terms of a 'perfect on paper' scent (I've added Carved Oud to the list as apparently that's a superior, similar version?).

Anyway, thank you for taking the time to leave such thoughtful comments, hugely appreciated. I've got loads of suggestions already and haven't actually bought any samples yet, so there's that to crack on with and hopefully that might narrow down what I'm after. Thanks!
 

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Amouage Honour Man is like a pencil shavings wood smell, if thats your thing.

If you like sandalwood i highly suggest trying out some oils from Royal Bengal Ouds or Rising Phoenix on etsy. Absolutely amazing and if you prefer spray you can mix it with perfumers alcohol or everclear and it turns out pretty awesome.
 

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Noir Anthracite has nothing in common with the rest of the TF Noir releases. It really should've been released as a standalone.

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OP, don't let a dislike for the other Noirs set your expectations for NA. Depending on your tolerance of synth-woods, of which NA contains a fair amount, this may be what you're looking for. Dark, dry, woody, spicy. I love it except for the base, but I'm pretty sensitive to woody-amber synthetics.

[edit: I just wore NA today for the first time in months, and I take back what I said about the woody-amber. I applied lighter sprays and wasn't bothered by any overly synthetic notes. This is just a damn fine-smelling fragrance.]
 
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No samples have arrived yet, so I have no updates, but I (begrudgingly, almost, due to price and style) really like Tom Ford's Private Blend line, and I'm wondering how appropriate Bois Marocain and (although I think much harder to find?) Moss Breches might be?
 

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For a leathery woody scent, try Gucci Guilty Absolute. It’s a smooth spiced boozy leather that moves into a dark smoky vetiver and patchouli base. One of my favourite recent designer releases.

For a more dry woody incense scent, try CDG 2Man. It starts with just snuffed out candle smoke and moves into a dry dark woody incense, but not too literally liturgical like Avignon.

Incidentally, I believe these two fragrances are my favourite replacements for the discontinued Gucci Pour Homme I, which would also fit the bill if you can find a bottle.
 

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When it comes to Wood, this is what I reach for...


Description
Winner of the 2015 Art and Olfaction Award in the artisan category, Woodcut links our contemporary, technology-based society to raw nature. Strong lines and delicate tracery combine to tell an archetypal tale of man’s rape of the earth. Woodcut conjures up dark images of ancient trees inhabited by spirits from a time when the earth was new, the flowing sap of felled trees, and the burnt sugar of the trees’ blood when it is heated by the saws of lumbermen and builders. The inspiration for this fragrance came from passing by a building site where old trees had been newly cut for a development and lumber was being sawed for a fence. The scent of cut wood was intoxicatingly beautiful and primitive, like a fleeting glimpse of the invisible essence of life spilled carelessly on the ground and burned as an offering to human greed. Released 2014. Notes: Fractional distillations of pine and cedar, oakwood absolute, tolu balsam, olibanum, caramel, burnt sugar, vanilla

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Since Gucci Pour Homme I is a bit difficult to find, and the Bentley attempts are not a substitute (I agree with the other posters, these turn a bit 'plastic-y' quite quickly).

I suggest Malle's French Lover AKA Bois d'Orage for a nice hit of wood. It's really quite good if you want a big wood hit.

Sample first would be my suggestion
 

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Amouage Honour Man is like a pencil shavings wood smell, if thats your thing.

If you like sandalwood i highly suggest trying out some oils from Royal Bengal Ouds or Rising Phoenix on etsy. Absolutely amazing and if you prefer spray you can mix it with perfumers alcohol or everclear and it turns out pretty awesome.

I find Honour Man to be very pepper prominent and far less about wood
 

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Thank you.

I've had two arrive so far - Proraso Red Aftershave (not a fan, not what I'm after, Trumper does this better) and Bois Marocain by Tom Ford.

Honestly, Bois Marocain is great. I'd happily stop here if this were still in (monetarily sensible) production. But there are loads more suggestions to get through, so thanks.
 

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Just thought I'd say where I am with this.

CdG 2 Man - one of the closest to what I was hoping for, but a tad underwhelmed. Very vetiver-centric, although I do like the style, and I enjoy the incense in this and the elements that shine through underneath the vetiver opening. Quite similar to Encre Noire Extreme I thought but much, much better.
YSL Splendid Wood - nice scent but not really what I'm after. The Cardamom makes it more of a 'generic' sort of scent - that's not the best description, as it's clearly quality, but I'm maybe hoping for something more naturally earthy.
Tom Ford Bois Marocain - really like it but there's something a bit 'off' about it. I like what it's *trying* to do, dirty, animalic, peppery woods, but not sure it works with the TF DNA. Something a bit 'old man' about it.
Amouage Honour Man - very nice but a touch too manistream. More spice than woods really. Good, but not what I want.
Noir Anthracite - Lots of ebony, some nice dusting of spices. Really dark and cold, that's true. I enjoy it, and bought a full bottle, but not perfect either (literally, unicorn scent?).
Creed Royal Oud - not for me. Found it underwhelming, particularly for the price. Thought Armani's Prive Royal Oud did a similar thing - classy, refined oud - just as well for me. Don't see the need to pay extra for Creed. But I like the Armani - I'm just definitely looking for something dirtier, more 'natural', earthy-woody.
Amouage Epic Man - I did sample this but I'm struggling to remember it at the moment. I think I thought it a touch underwhelming as well. I liked the quality of Amouage, though they came across as well blended, and well structured scents, but didn't enjoy the style that much. A bit too Middle Eastern. UPDATE: went and found my sample and tried it again. Quite an odd opening, very light and bright and wet. Almost soapy. Then spice. Didn't wait too much longer to get right in to the drydown but, again, not what I'm after unfortunately.

Couldn't find samples of anything else and I'm reluctant to buy full bottles of something on a blind buy. But thanks, so far it's been a decent journey. Definitely going to try out the other CdGs.

I wonder if something like Slumberhouse Norne is in the realm of what I'm after? Having never tried it, the descriptions - and the mythology - around it smelling like an actual forest, and not just pine, is intriguing. I'd love it if CdG2 kept the woods and the incense, and added something musty and earthy in there. It's what I like about Bois Marocain as well, but just not quite in the way it expresses it. Anyway, little change of me finding Norne, but if that IS in the right kind of area for 'natural smelling earth and woods', are there any suggestions for something similar to it?
 
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Just thought I'd say where I am with this.

CdG 2 Man - one of the closest to what I was hoping for, but a tad underwhelmed. Very vetiver-centric, although I do like the style, and I enjoy the incense in this and the elements that shine through underneath the vetiver opening. Quite similar to Encre Noire Extreme I thought but much, much better.
YSL Splendid Wood - nice scent but not really what I'm after. The Cardamom makes it more of a 'generic' sort of scent - that's not the best description, as it's clearly quality, but I'm maybe hoping for something more naturally earthy.
Tom Ford Bois Marocain - really like it but there's something a bit 'off' about it. I like what it's *trying* to do, dirty, animalic, peppery woods, but not sure it works with the TF DNA. Something a bit 'old man' about it.
Amouage Honour Man - very nice but a touch too manistream. More spice than woods really. Good, but not what I want.
Noir Anthracite - Lots of ebony, some nice dusting of spices. Really dark and cold, that's true. I enjoy it, and bought a full bottle, but not perfect either (literally, unicorn scent?).
Creed Royal Oud - not for me. Found it underwhelming, particularly for the price. Thought Armani's Prive Royal Oud did a similar thing - classy, refined oud - just as well for me. Don't see the need to pay extra for Creed. But I like the Armani - I'm just definitely looking for something dirtier, more 'natural', earthy-woody.
Amouage Epic Man - I did sample this but I'm struggling to remember it at the moment. I think I thought it a touch underwhelming as well. I liked the quality of Amouage, though they came across as well blended, and well structured scents, but didn't enjoy the style that much. A bit too Middle Eastern. UPDATE: went and found my sample and tried it again. Quite an odd opening, very light and bright and wet. Almost soapy. Then spice. Didn't wait too much longer to get right in to the drydown but, again, not what I'm after unfortunately.

Couldn't find samples of anything else and I'm reluctant to buy full bottles of something on a blind buy. But thanks, so far it's been a decent journey. Definitely going to try out the other CdGs.

I wonder if something like Slumberhouse Norne is in the realm of what I'm after? Having never tried it, the descriptions - and the mythology - around it smelling like an actual forest, and not just pine, is intriguing. I'd love it if CdG2 kept the woods and the incense, and added something musty and earthy in there. It's what I like about Bois Marocain as well, but just not quite in the way it expresses it. Anyway, little change of me finding Norne, but if that IS in the right kind of area for 'natural smelling earth and woods', are there any suggestions for something similar to it?

Try Vetiver 46 by Le Labo.
 

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Thanks, I'll try if I can but I'm not really looking for something vetiver-centric. If it's got more about it than vetiver I'll try it out.

Ordered a sample of Bowmakers so waiting for that to arrive.
 

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Serge Lutens Chene, perhaps?

Very woody, but with a touch of sweetness from the rum. It was an instant love for me.

Or Tom Ford Patchouli Absolu.
Dirty and raw. An interesting one, but maybe a bit too dirty for some.
 

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Tried Bowmakers by D.S. & Durga.

Quality scent, no doubt. Like the woody aspect - I don't dislike the varnish aspect, but I absolutely don't want it in this kind of fragrance.

Have managed to get hold of two small samples of TF Bois Rouge and Moss Breches.

Don't think they'll come near what I want...but then maybe, who knows.
 

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Guerlain Derby ?
A long shot as it's not one of the first that came to mind from your description of what you were looking for but it is kind of deep, woody and masculine.
you'd need to enjoy leather, moss and spices though...
 

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Thanks @Democritus, any tips on whether vintage or reissue is important? Not a huge lover of leather but I'm getting there. Moss is either love or hate, and do enjoy spice.

@ Danny Mitchell, no idea tbh, but I looked on ebay, saw the prices, and assumed it was discontinued. Just had a quite look on google - which prbably should have been the first stop - and it's £95 for 100ml. They're asking £130 on ebay. Weird. Is it a reformulation thing accounting for the discrepancy? The old one's rated, the new isn't? Anyway, it's a bit more than I'd be willing to blind buy for a full bottle, but if a sample comes up I'l grab it.
 

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Thanks @Democritus, any tips on whether vintage or reissue is important? Not a huge lover of leather but I'm getting there. Moss is either love or hate, and do enjoy spice.

@ Danny Mitchell, no idea tbh, but I looked on ebay, saw the prices, and assumed it was discontinued. Just had a quite look on google - which prbably should have been the first stop - and it's £95 for 100ml. They're asking £130 on ebay. Weird. Is it a reformulation thing accounting for the discrepancy? The old one's rated, the new isn't? Anyway, it's a bit more than I'd be willing to blind buy for a full bottle, but if a sample comes up I'l grab it.

There's a Purple Label thread here....I think it's super limited as to where you can get it......The Ralph Lauren site being one of them, maybe.
 

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Serge Lutens Chene, perhaps?

Very woody, but with a touch of sweetness from the rum. It was an instant love for me.

Or Tom Ford Patchouli Absolu.
Dirty and raw. An interesting one, but maybe a bit too dirty for some.
I'd recommend Chene, too.
 

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Thanks. Also have Gucci Pour Homme and Santal 33 on the way which, although not really the earthy-woody scent I'm after, might have some wood notes I like, so it's good to narrow it down this way even when not getting the exact thing. Already know I like the Mahogany in Bowmakers.

At the moment, I feel like Italian Cypress is the perfect green-wood scent for me (or at least, I'm more than happy with it).

Colonia Sandalo is one of my favourite fragrances and a gorgeous spicy-herbal sandalwood.

Just hoping for that earthy, deep, dark wood fragrance to round it all off. Incense is fine, but ideally want to keep away from spice and any sort of citrus or fruit. Nothing's really hit the mark just yet.
 

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