What's inside of Suederal LT?

[pkiler]

I'm trying to work on a Client's scent that they want Suederal in, but it has a somewhat deleterious effect, that may be undesired, so I am trying to tear it apart, so that I can get rid of the carrier of Hercolyn D.

It is entirely unfortunate that Modern Fragrance / Alexander McMurtry seems to think that Suederal **IS made up of Hercolyn D and Methyl palmitate. UH... Those are just carriers... Hey Alex, you can't just read a SDS and think that that is the story of a fragrance...

Anyway, I just want the Leather part, I can do without the Hercolyn D here in this client's scent...
Of course, I know how to make 25 different Leathers, HA! But am curious to tear apart Suederal LT.

Anyone have any ideas? Harry seems to remember some novel processing material, a nut oil or something, but he doesn't remember any specifics, or know anything else...

Thanks for your minds,
PK

 

[Arul]

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[filipeleira]

69% Hercolyn D, 1.4% Methyl Palmitate, 1.3% Methyl Myristate, lots of alkanes (Pentadecane, Hexadecane, Heptadecane, Octadecane, Tetradecane, Nonadecane, Eicosane, Docosane, Heneicosane), phenols (2,5-Xylenol, 3,5-Xylenol, 3,4-Xylenol, 4-tert-Butylphenol, 2,3,5-Trimethylphenol, Tert-Butylcresol), 0.86% Unknowns (probably captives).. There are traces of Nutmeg, Cade, Cedarwood Himalaya and Thyme (ct thymol) oils.

 

[pkiler]

69% Hercolyn D, 1.4% Methyl Palmitate, 1.3% Methyl Myristate, lots of alkanes (Pentadecane, Hexadecane, Heptadecane, Octadecane, Tetradecane, Nonadecane, Eicosane, Docosane, Heneicosane), phenols (2,5-Xylenol, 3,5-Xylenol, 3,4-Xylenol, 4-tert-Butylphenol, 2,3,5-Trimethylphenol, Tert-Butylcresol), 0.86% Unknowns (probably captives).. There are traces of Nutmeg, Cade, Cedarwood Himalaya and Thyme (ct thymol) oils.

Thanks Felipe! That's MOST Helpful!

 

[fragrantregard]

Of all the bases I ever saw / smelled, this one makes the least sense to try and recreate. So many things inside which aren't easily available; also, different versions have different solvents and compositions to be compliant in various countries. Hard to say the above constituents are actually in the specific version of the base you have.

 

[pkiler]

lots of alkanes (Pentadecane, Hexadecane, Heptadecane, Octadecane, Tetradecane, Nonadecane, Eicosane, Docosane, Heneicosane),

I'd sure like to find an economical source for a blend of these Alcanes, I have a few projects that could use them...

 

[giftmischer]

69% Hercolyn D, 1.4% Methyl Palmitate, 1.3% Methyl Myristate, lots of alkanes (Pentadecane, Hexadecane, Heptadecane, Octadecane, Tetradecane, Nonadecane, Eicosane, Docosane, Heneicosane), phenols (2,5-Xylenol, 3,5-Xylenol, 3,4-Xylenol, 4-tert-Butylphenol, 2,3,5-Trimethylphenol, Tert-Butylcresol), 0.86% Unknowns (probably captives).. There are traces of Nutmeg, Cade, Cedarwood Himalaya and Thyme (ct thymol) oils.

Found (TIC) hercolyn D >80%; minor compounds (0.01-0.05%): 4-ethyltoluene, mesitylene, 1,3-diethyltoluene, 1,4-diethyltoluene, tert-butyltoluene, trans 2-hexenol, acetic acid, longicyclene, benzaldehyde, longifolene, 2-tridecanone, 2,6-di-tert-butylphenol, 2,6-xylenol, 6-tert-butyl meta cresol, 2,4-xylenol, 4-isopropylphenol, 4-ethylphenol, 2-tert-butyl para cresol

 

[ourmess]

I'd sure like to find an economical source for a blend of these Alcanes, I have a few projects that could use them...

I'm sure it's not what you want to hear buuuuuuuuut...Penta has Hexa-, Tetra-, Nona-, and Hepta-.

 

[pkiler]

I'm sure it's not what you want to hear buuuuuuuuut...Penta has Hexa-, Tetra-, Nona-, and Hepta-.

Yes, you can get several as single molecules, Vigon has several too, but I just want a solution of several / many, that is a near waste by-product castoff from processing something else, so that I can buy a grouping, rather than so many at high prices, isolated, and sold only in 1kg each.
But haven't found that... yet.

 

[pkiler]

Found (TIC) hercolyn D >80%; minor compounds (0.01-0.05%): 4-ethyltoluene, mesitylene, 1,3-diethyltoluene, 1,4-diethyltoluene, tert-butyltoluene, trans 2-hexenol, acetic acid, longicyclene, benzaldehyde, longifolene, 2-tridecanone, 2,6-di-tert-butylphenol, 2,6-xylenol, 6-tert-butyl meta cresol, 2,4-xylenol, 4-isopropylphenol, 4-ethylphenol, 2-tert-butyl para cresol

Thanks, for the excellent information, Giftmischer!

 

[polysom]

69% Hercolyn D, 1.4% Methyl Palmitate, 1.3% Methyl Myristate, lots of alkanes (Pentadecane, Hexadecane, Heptadecane, Octadecane, Tetradecane, Nonadecane, Eicosane, Docosane, Heneicosane), phenols (2,5-Xylenol, 3,5-Xylenol, 3,4-Xylenol, 4-tert-Butylphenol, 2,3,5-Trimethylphenol, Tert-Butylcresol), 0.86% Unknowns (probably captives).. There are traces of Nutmeg, Cade, Cedarwood Himalaya and Thyme (ct thymol) oils.

Interesting. How did you find this out so exactly? I am always interested what my bases contain, but the only source I know is the MSDS. And this does only list some compounds and only a concentration range. Are there other sources?

 

[pkiler]

Interesting. How did you find this out so exactly? I am always interested what my bases contain, but the only source I know is the MSDS. And this does only list some compounds and only a concentration range. Are there other sources?

Felipe regularly sends fragrances and raw materials out for GCMS testing, as I do. He has a small business of selling formulas online. We occasionally trade our GCMS results that we get made.

 

[polysom]

Ah, I see. Thanks. I've thought I maybe missing something.

 

[filipeleira]

Interesting. How did you find this out so exactly? I am always interested what my bases contain, but the only source I know is the MSDS. And this does only list some compounds and only a concentration range. Are there other sources?

Paul's answer is right, I have a GCMS report of Suederal LT and many other famous bases (so I can identify them in the perfumes).