Welcome new-at-DIY-fragrance members! Read this first

Irina

Well-known member
Nov 17, 2008
Are you new to this board?

Welcome :vrolijk_26:

Please read this first before opening a new thread, chances are you'll find the answers to most FAQ here.

First a kind reminder on Basenotes Community Code of Conduct for Members

And second: this forum has an awesome advanced search button that can help you to quickly find a thread on many DIY fragrance subjects, see pic below for its location
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Here is a compilation of links to threads that address the MFAQ (Most Frequently Asked Questions)

How do I go about smelling?

Smelling Techniques Guide

Where do I start?

Primer on How to Make Perfume

A collection of best practice tips

What materials do I need?

Top List of 100 Aromachemicals to get you started

Where do I buy perfumery raw materials?

DIY Suppliers List

DIY Suppliers with MSDS Certificate of analysis and Declaration of Allergens

Ingredients search via Perfumersearch.com

Where do I find more information on raw materials?

http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/

http://www.perfumersearch.com/

Where do I buy perfumers alcohol and what kind can I use?

Food grade Alcohol, Ethanol, UNdenaturated Ethanol etc where to buy

Where to get perfumers alcohol online

Should I add water, oils and glycerin in my perfumes?

NO
Don't Add Water, Glycerin or Jojoba to Alcoholic Perfumes

I want to make something that smells like X, what raw materials do I need?

Type in the smell here:
http://www.perfumersearch.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13&Itemid=14

Or click on the right column of this site:
http://aromachemicals.net/

What equipment do I need?

The DIY lab

Setting up a work space & odor prevention

http://www.perfumersearch.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9&Itemid=12

Where can I buy a good cheap scale?

On Ebay. Look for 'jewelry scale 0.01 g', and find the best deal that can weigh at least 200 g

Favorite won't break the bank scale

I am looking to duplicate X perfume, do you have a formula?

NO
But there are some books that give hints, see books thread for more info.

Where do I find formulas?

Here you can find demo formula's:
http://www.perfumersearch.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12&Itemid=9

How do I make my perfume last longer?

The perfume structure must be sound. You need to add raw materials with low volatility (vapor pressure) and/or materials high diffusion (like Hedione) that will last and project. Most of the times these are 'base notes' like musks, cedrambers (like Iso E Super), ambergris (like Ambroxan), woody (like sandalwood, vetiver), gourmand notes ( like vanilla, vanillin) and/or resins (like olibanum, benzoin). Or adding a fixative blend like Fixateur 505.

Here are a few threads on the subject that might help:

Can perfumers control sillage or longevity

Longevity

Extending natural perfumes

Fixatives and the fleeting scent

What books are useful?

Links to perfumery books

Are there schools that teach me how to become a perfumer?

Perfumers education

Home study courses for perfumery

How can I make safe perfumes?

Use the right materials in the right %, use the right equipment in the right space, look into local and global safety regulation and legislation (see threads on IFRA & EU)

Questions regrading safety guidelines for materials

What is IFRA and do I need to know more?

IFRA standards

IFRA standards & discussion

IFRA restrictions and EU regulations are NOT the same: some facts

I want to sell my products, what do I need to know?

It depends on your training, materials, good manufacturing practices, labeling, packaging, marketing, legislation, regulation, see above threads.

Perfume start-up help
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For more experienced DIY'ers:

Please feel free to add here other important questions, answers and links.

I'll compile it and edit this post regularly.

Thank you all for reading and participating!
 
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Chris Bartlett

Basenotes Plus
Basenotes Plus
Jul 17, 2011
OK so I’ve put loads of information from questions I frequently answer here onto my blog and recently created a similar kind of ‘Index Page’ for it called How to Make Perfume.

Links within that article cover everything from equipment and ingredients suppliers to what criteria you need to consider when buying a scale and what all those confusing sounding terms that are used for natural extracts mean.
 

dudeinthemoon

Active member
Mar 10, 2008
Thank you Irina!

For all of you more experienced noses, it really is great to have your guidance. Yourself, Chris, Dave, Paul and Mumsy amongst many have already been a great help even though I've only been doing this for a week! My first fragrance is for my girlfriend this christmas, and is coming along nicely - it is starting to resemble her favourite smells (freshly baked cookies with milk, mothballs, hay) and although it needs top notes it's nice to wear, projecting fairly well for the first 2-3 hours and lasting six plus on the skin... I've got some fun ideas for the packaging, and will be sure to put up pictures when it starts to come together! It's not finished, but I think a lot of the advice I've received reading you guys & gals' posts, both on other peoples questions and on mine have helped me to develop in one week something that could easily have taken me several months or more of research & mistakes without this place. Thank you, I hope you all know how appreciated you are.
 

Irina

Well-known member
Nov 17, 2008
You're most welcome, dude :beer:

Chris, thank you for adding that.

My idea with the OP is to keep it as a reference guide to threads within basenotes, with a very few exceptions like TGSC. Please do add your excellent contribution/blog to the sticky 'how to make perfume', making sure people can find it easily :thumbup:
 

Chris Bartlett

Basenotes Plus
Basenotes Plus
Jul 17, 2011
You're most welcome, dude :beer:

Chris, thank you for adding that.

My idea with the OP is to keep it as a reference guide to threads within basenotes, with a very few exceptions like TGSC. Please do add your excellent contribution/blog to the sticky 'how to make perfume', making sure people can find it easily :thumbup:

I understand, but there’s no point me adding it to that thread: it’s already 3 pages long, no-one will ever find it.
 

Bill Roberts

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2013
Hi Irina, if I might suggest an addition, perhaps threads on "How do I make my perfume last longer?"

That seems perhaps the most frequently asked question of all.
 

Irina

Well-known member
Nov 17, 2008
Hi Irina, if I might suggest an addition, perhaps threads on "How do I make my perfume last longer?"

That seems perhaps the most frequently asked question of all.

Thanks, Bill, that's a very good idea. I'll look and see if I can find the best or most relevant threads on that topic and add them tomorrow.
Thanks again!
 

angelick

Member
Nov 9, 2014
Hi Irina and everyone,

Thanks very much for this thread. I've already read a lot of the threads mentioned, but it's a very steep learning curve, so to have them all in one place is very helful.
I'll introduce myself here as I'm not sure where to do this, and my profile doesn't seem tto give any information about me.
I'm 32, originally from South Africa, but living in NZ. I had type 1 dibetes as a child, and due to diabetic complications I lost my vision and had kidney failure at the age f 20.
I am thus totally blind, but received a kidney and pancreas transplant, so am diabetes free and in better health.
Due to my blindness I realize I'll face some hurdles in my fragrance explorations, but as I love perfumes and am terribly curious by nature, I only see it as another challenge I can overcome with the right tools and guidance.
Pears has already suggested a talkin scale, and Paul has been kind enough to provide some ebooks for me to read on my laptop.
If any of you kind and terribly brilliant people want to advise, give tips or advice, I'll be eternally greatful as I've been wanting to mak perfumes for years.
Apologies for the long post *blush*
 

FollyFlick

Well-known member
Oct 29, 2014
Sharing a tip for newbies: I did a two day course last weekend and a key message was think about the purpose of each material before you include it. Sounds obvious, but it made me really think about what and why I include things, rather than just thinking 'i like that smell'.
 

Irina

Well-known member
Nov 17, 2008
A warm welcome, Angelick! :) And chapeau to you, perfumery is such a challenging endeavor on its own!

I know of another perfumer that due to illness was temporarily blind: David Falsberg of Phoenicia Perfumes http://www.phoeniciaperfumes.com/. Maybe you can get in touch with him?
 

Irina

Well-known member
Nov 17, 2008
Sharing a tip for newbies: I did a two day course last weekend and a key message was think about the purpose of each material before you include it. Sounds obvious, but it made me really think about what and why I include things, rather than just thinking 'i like that smell'.

Thank you for adding this, great tip :)

I've added Bill's question to the OP, a very short answer and a few threads.

hth
 

David Ruskin

Well-known member
May 28, 2009
Sharing a tip for newbies: I did a two day course last weekend and a key message was think about the purpose of each material before you include it. Sounds obvious, but it made me really think about what and why I include things, rather than just thinking 'i like that smell'.

I agree with Irina, indeed a great tip. May I just add one tiny comment? Before you can think about why you are using a specific ingredient, you have to know as much about it as possible. Strength, longevity, your odour description. The very first thing that you should do, when receiving a new material is to dip it and learn about it, then you can work out why you want to use it.

Sorry, not such a tiny comment after all.
 

Irina

Well-known member
Nov 17, 2008
I agree with Irina, indeed a great tip. May I just add one tiny comment? Before you can think about why you are using a specific ingredient, you have to know as much about it as possible. Strength, longevity, your odour description. The very first thing that you should do, when receiving a new material is to dip it and learn about it, then you can work out why you want to use it.

Sorry, not such a tiny comment after all.

Great addition, David :dankk2: Priceless comment, very very important for all beginners!
 

Dravcas

New member
Jan 25, 2015
Hi everyone,

Thank you for the great stickies on this forum - BN has been a great source of information for me as I collect notes on perfumery DIY prior to starting, and I have to say I keep coming back to refresh concepts. The How-to primer and list of 100 aroma chemicals has been particularly useful, so thank you again.

I thought I would quickly introduce myself and state my intentions! My name is Adrian, and my partner and I have been talking about making solid perfumes for a while. We researched solid perfumes from the simple single essential oil variety to those with bespoke fragrances. We decided that it would be much more fulfilling to produce our own perfumes rather than blend someone else's fragrance oils. The idea has now grown (as they are prone to do) to include traditional ethanol-based perfumes.

We are researching and researching but will soon begin ordering some gear. My plan is to make a purchase and produce a sort of lexicon on the properties of each item before making any blends.

I'll continue to lurk around, but will be popping my head up to say hello!
 

mintle

Member
Jan 20, 2015
Dear all,

I just wanted to say hi since I am a reader not a contributor to this forum yet. And also thank you sooo much :) for gathering all this valuable information and sharing your knowledge!

I am mastering my patience skills now since it takes a lot of research, learning and reading to even get to know and explore raw materials.I have always had a sensitive nose and was able to identify scents and compositions worn for example by strangers passing me by on the street. I just want to create beautiful scents for me and my friends :)
I have built my mini lab and gathered supplies, even created one formula that is wearable with plasure (however please note I tend to be less judgmental and more forgiving towards my first creations in any field ;)).

Looking forward to this great journey!
 

rrheaton

New member
Feb 7, 2015
Hello,

I am brand new to this. I have created a blend I LOVE, its approximately 2 ounces and 20% is my aromatic blend. I mixed this with 150 proof alcohol in a two ounce container to sit for a while. The fragrance is sitting at the bottom and completely separated from the alcohol. What can I do to fix this? I used a lot of jasmine sambac absolute so I really hope I didnt ruin it.

Please advise!!!!
 

Bill Roberts

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2013
I don't know if you have the means of separating the two layers, but if you can find a way to do so then I'd do the following:

Separate what you have now. If you get a little of your 150 proof layer in the separated-fragrance layer that's okay, or leave a little of your separated-fragrance layer in the 150 proof, that's okay.

You're not done, because the separated-fragrance layer probably will not smell the same as the concentrate originally did, because some materials within your blend will have had more tendency to separate, and others more tendency to stay in the 150 proof. So, neither will smell the same as the original.

(Give your separated-fragrance layer a smell though, it would be interesting to know!)

Next, to the 150 proof I'd add an amount of IPM (isopropyl myristate), perhaps equal to half original amount of fragrance concentrate. Add an amount of water at least equaling your amount of 150 proof: it can be more if that's convenient. Shake. Let separate.

Separate the IPM layer from the alcohol/water layer, give it a smell too for knowledge, and add to the separated material of the first step.

If being very particular, repeat that step.

This should recover practically all of your aroma materials. (Perhaps not phenethyl alcohol if present; perhaps a bit of other things, but most likely everything of importance unless that includes PEA. Even PEA will be at least partially recovered. Jasmine doesn't contain PEA.)

Then redilute back with proper (190 proof) alcohol. Everclear 190 proof is I think the best; perfumer's alcohol is also usable.

If separation just doesn't go well with the implements available to you, separatory funnels are available from Amazon.
 
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Bill Roberts

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2013
I generally use a separatory funnel, or in rare cases (different than yours) have simply poured off. A pipette might work, particularly if you can find a glass that has a conical bottom, like a martini glass. As speculation, you might be able to plug the bottom of a glass funnel and use that as the container to pipet from, or if the layers are well separated, to drain the bottom layer using your finger to control the flow.

I don't know as I've always had the glassware that's designed for separation, and have only improvised when I've had gummy material, or too much material to fit into a funnel, or precision wasn't needed and I was in a rush.
 

pussinboots

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2010
Hello,

I am brand new to the DIY forum and just wanted to say thank you for all the wonderful resources gathered here! This sticky is a wonderful idea!

I have a question that I've been trying to answer searching the forum, but perhaps I don't know where to look. My hope is that if the thread already exists - that perhaps it could be added to the original sticky, as I suspect others may have this question.

My question is about smelling and learning the raw materials when you are first starting out. I have read that it's wise to dilute your raw materials before smelling them - because it's less wasteful and also easier to get a more accurate impression of the aroma. Ok! So how do I do that? I have a bunch of EOs and a handful of isolates that I've ordered. I'd like to beginning studying them using the Jean Carles method, and maybe get a few synthetics to sniff too. But how do I dilute them to begin sniffing? What do you dilute them in - perfume grade alcohol? Is a 10% dilution a good idea across the board? I've heard "it can vary depending on the material" - but since I'm new, I don't know how to determine what a good % dilution would be.

Once one has the proper dilution, then I'm assuming it's straightforward work with tester strips - and letting them sit, and smelling at intervals, to see how the scent evolves over time, and taking good notes. Right?

Thank you! I'm sorry if my questions are foolish or have been answered elsewhere. I've searched on "dilution" but did not find this exact question address for the very beginner.
 
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HRLQN

Active member
Jun 19, 2014
I dilute with perfumer's alcohol, I see you're across the pond so I'm not sure about where to source that from over there but there's a couple of links on that subject in the original post in this thread.

As for percentages, I do tend to use 10% across the board. Generally the only materials where this would differ is with some of the much higher impact chemicals such as Geosmin and the various pyrazines, which tend to come pre-diluted anyway. The best way to do this is to pick up a set of digital scales so you can accurately measure out your ingredients when diluting. And be sure to label said dilutions, and to take the percentages in to account when writing out formulas.
 

SuzieQ

New member
Jul 20, 2016
this is a great collection of links, it sounds very useful! I kneaded my first experiments just... and, at first, I read more about the "Equipment", and if I can, I will add some info about budget methods.
 

alt2

New member
Aug 8, 2016
This is so awesome! Thank you for taking the time to put this together. I think I have effectively spent 6 hours reading link after link after link after reply after reply... and so on. This site is awesome. You guys are great!
 

Chetopa

Well-known member
Apr 13, 2016
This is such an amazing resource/list! Thank you so much for putting this together. I've been on Basenotes for months but hadn't jumped over to this forum until I got the bug again to try again and make my own fragrances. My 1st two batches were basically futzing around with Everclear and essential oils which resulted in some decent room sprays but nothing that lasted on skin. This will be a huge help. Thanks again.
 

turron

Member
Dec 29, 2008
Hello, I'm new - before posting a new thread, I wanted to see if this would be appropriate:

I want to post a breakdown of the aroma chemicals/essential oils that I want to combine (ie the top notes, middle notes, base notes, accords) to get feedback on the combination and any tips on possible additions. I have to buy the components in advance and some are pricey, so I'd like to have sound advice before buying something that may not work at all.

Would this be OK?
 

Srishti

Member
Jun 13, 2017
Hi All,

I am trying to make perfumes. Could anyone guide me with these questions:
1. Can I fill alcohol based perfumes in plastic spray bottles?
2. Is it necessary to add water in alcohol based perfume?
3. How is mist made? Is it just more percentage of distilled water?
 

Dmitriy

Well-known member
Dec 10, 2014
Hi All,

I am trying to make perfumes. Could anyone guide me with these questions:
1. Can I fill alcohol based perfumes in plastic spray bottles?
2. Is it necessary to add water in alcohol based perfume?
3. How is mist made? Is it just more percentage of distilled water?

2017-06-25_151531.jpg Are you sure you read at least the beginning of this topic in which you write? It is not recommended to store perfume in plastic containers. I do not know the answer to the third question.
 

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