Vintage Davidoff Cool Water Lancaster (Zipcode 10151 vs 10016)

Sep 24, 2021
Hello I was just wondering if anyone knew the difference between the following distribution addresses for the Lancaster production of Davidoff Cool Water:

DIST.:
LANCASTER_GROUP U.S.A.
NEW YORK, N.Y. 10151

and

DIST.
LANCASTER GROUP US LLC
NEW YORK, N.Y. 10016.

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I was browsing some Lancaster Cool Waters on eBay where I noticed the different zip codes (10151 and 10016) and the difference in "Distributor" names ("LANCASTER_USA GROUP" and "LANCASTER GROUP US LLC"). Would anyone be able to tell me the difference between the two and if possibly one is fake? Thanks!
 
Sep 24, 2021
Thank you for replying! I found this 125ML of Lancaster Cool Water but I've seen several variants of the Lancaster Cool Water 125ML box that I was wondering if anyone could determine if this was legitimate or not:

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So I've noticed a couple of things about this particular purchase:

1. The front and back of the box say "Eau De Toilette Vaporisateur" on one side, and "Eau De Toilette Natural Spray" on the other side. As far as I was aware, I thought that a fragrance can only be Vaporisateur or Natural Spray, as Natural Spray doesn't pressurize the fragrance and uses a natural pump to propel it out of the atomizer, which is why it is strange for it to say both on the box.

2. On one of the sides of the box it says on one side:

"PARFUMS DAVIDOFF
PARIS
DIST.:
LANCASTER_GROUP U.S.A.
NEW YORK, N.Y. 10151
MADE IN FRANCE
under Licence of Zino Davidoff S.A.
Fribourg, Switzerland"

And on the other side of the box it says:

"INGREDIENTS:
SD ALCOHOL 39-C,
FRAGRANCE,
WATER"

3. The fragrance came with a box but it was unwrapped, so more than likely it was opened. On the photo of the atomizer, you can see this strange "residue" on the side of the atomizer, which I don't believe should be there if the fragrance was "never used". However, there was no smell of the fragrance from the atomizer at all when opening up the box, but I will say there was some sort of pungent smell chemical (some kind of sanitizing solution?) smell coming from the box.

4. The fragrance did come with a pamphlet advertising the other products within the Cool Water line which looks very legit.

5. Trying to spray the fragrance It took a couple of tries before the fragrance came out, which confirms to me that the fragrance was never sprayed, but the first several sprays smelled like alcohol which then developed into this "sour" smell. It took 5-10 minutes for the scent to settle down to what I can tell is Cool Water based on my other 75ml bottle.

6. I'm not sure if it mattered at all, but the cap for this 125ML does not stay on at all if I grab the bottle by the cap. The cap sits very loosely on the bottle but the 75ML bottle cap has grooves inside that cap that "grip" the atomizer which helps it stay on.

Overall, it seems legit but the alcohol/sour smell from the first several sprays and the residue on the atomizer has me a bit worried that the bottle might have been tampered with. The 75ml Natural Spray that I originally got from the giftset did not smell of alcohol once. The first couple of sprays smelled just like Cool Water immediately. Perhaps this 125ML has spoiled?

What do you guys think?
 

PStoller

I’m not old, I’m vintage.
Basenotes Plus
Aug 1, 2019
1. The front and back of the box say "Eau De Toilette Vaporisateur" on one side, and "Eau De Toilette Natural Spray" on the other side. As far as I was aware, I thought that a fragrance can only be Vaporisateur or Natural Spray, as Natural Spray doesn't pressurize the fragrance and uses a natural pump to propel it out of the atomizer, which is why it is strange for it to say both on the box.

As Davidoff might say: Relax. "Vaporisateur" and "Natural Spray" are the same thing. It's "Atomiseur" that uses propellant.

3. The fragrance came with a box but it was unwrapped, so more than likely it was opened. On the photo of the atomizer, you can see this strange "residue" on the side of the atomizer, which I don't believe should be there if the fragrance was "never used". However, there was no smell of the fragrance from the atomizer at all when opening up the box, but I will say there was some sort of pungent smell chemical (some kind of sanitizing solution?) smell coming from the box.

Residue on an old bottle is not unusual. All sorts of things—changes in temperature and air pressure, rough handling, etc.—can cause an unused bottle to leak a bit. The sanitizer smell is probably alcohol, which is the main ingredient in the bottle.

5. Trying to spray the fragrance It took a couple of tries before the fragrance came out, which confirms to me that the fragrance was never sprayed, but the first several sprays smelled like alcohol which then developed into this "sour" smell. It took 5-10 minutes for the scent to settle down to what I can tell is Cool Water based on my other 75ml bottle.

Not unusual for an older bottle. The top notes may be off, or it may have just been whatever was in the pump. See if it's the same on future wears.

Overall, it seems legit but the alcohol/sour smell from the first several sprays and the residue on the atomizer has me a bit worried that the bottle might have been tampered with. The 75ml Natural Spray that I originally got from the giftset did not smell of alcohol once. The first couple of sprays smelled just like Cool Water immediately. Perhaps this 125ML has spoiled?

It's possible. Not every old bottle holds up over decades. It seems less likely to me it's been tampered with, as the market for deep vintage Cool Water isn't so great that it would be worth the bother. It all looks legit, so if it doesn't smell right with subsequent use, my money's on spoilage.
 
Sep 24, 2021
As Davidoff might say: Relax. "Vaporisateur" and "Natural Spray" are the same thing. It's "Atomiseur" that uses propellant.



Residue on an old bottle is not unusual. All sorts of things—changes in temperature and air pressure, rough handling, etc.—can cause an unused bottle to leak a bit. The sanitizer smell is probably alcohol, which is the main ingredient in the bottle.



Not unusual for an older bottle. The top notes may be off, or it may have just been whatever was in the pump. See if it's the same on future wears.



It's possible. Not every old bottle holds up over decades. It seems less likely to me it's been tampered with, as the market for deep vintage Cool Water isn't so great that it would be worth the bother. It all looks legit, so if it doesn't smell right with subsequent use, my money's on spoilage.
Thanks for the reply. The sanitizing smell did not smell of alcohol necessarily but it smelled like some sort of "disinfectant", never smelled something like that coming from a bottle of fragrance lol. I appreciate your help with verifying my fragrances! Cool Water has such a timeless scent yet you're right; it's not really worth counterfeiting seeing as how it was never really that expensive to begin with. One question though, if the fragrance continues to smell sour after more frequent usage do you think I would be able to get a refund? I feel bad for having to do that but I did pay $85 for this 125ml which is fairly expensive for Cool Water. The item page for the bottle I bought states that the "Seller does not accept returns".
 

PStoller

I’m not old, I’m vintage.
Basenotes Plus
Aug 1, 2019
if the fragrance continues to smell sour after more frequent usage do you think I would be able to get a refund? I feel bad for having to do that but I did pay $85 for this 125ml which is fairly expensive for Cool Water. The item page for the bottle I bought states that the "Seller does not accept returns".

That's not possible for me to say. Sellers don't want negative feedback or trouble with eBay, so even though they say they don't take returns, they might still do it to avoid hassles. Or, they could refuse, and eBay might or might not step in on your behalf. I've had very few problems with sellers, and all those have been resolved amicably, but that doesn't predict what your experience will be.
 

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