The official Jeremy Fragrance fragrance thread

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furrypine

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It's disheartening to see that all previous threads about Jeremy Fragrance went off the rails and had to be closed. But he is an interesting phenomenon worth discussing, so we try again in this, the OFFICIAL Jeremy Fragrance fragrance thread. :thumbsup:

What have we covered thoroughly in the other threads? Let summarize: He is a douche, a sex pest, a fraud, mentally ill, and you despise him. Now, can we move on? As an "internet famous" person I see no problem snarking on him but it all too easily tips over into outright slander.

If all you have to contribute is "I hate him" your comment will be deleted and you end up on the watch list of the moderators, and before you know it you have been banned from the site. There is a lot to be said about Jeremy as a marketer, Youtuber and product developer, and the other threads had many thoughtful posts covering those areas, and that's what I want to see a continuation of here.

Here is the directory entry by the way: http://www.basenotes.net/ID26157725.html
 

Diddy

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Oct 14, 2015
I will happily read what others think about the fragrance.
 

Foamywax

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May 2, 2013
Ok to be honest he seems to be a total narcissist.
What is stunning is that he has made a TON of money through a YouTube channel..and all he does is talk about fragrances. Some poor guy gave him 800 dollars and didn't even receive a "thank you". Why in the hell would someone give a total stranger 800 dollars!!!????
Because he looks good in a tailored suit??
Because he owns a Ferrari???
Yes..unfortunately.
He is a great businessman that's for sure.
He has people thinking that they are part of his "army".
Apparently he is suing this guy on YouTube with the name "fragrance bros" for defamation.
It's entertaining stuff..he's received threatening emails among other things.
He raised 750 thousand through Kickstarter for his magic juice but how much of that did he pocket?
I would have kept half and used the rest for the fragrance and I'm sure that's what he did as well.
I find the insanity of all this entertaining I mean fake crying on YouTube to appear truly genuine??
It's amazing how he influences young men and makes them want to be like him.
Hot women and fast cars and expensive suits have NOTHING to do with fragrances..not in my world anyway.
He is a poser but incredibly smart businesswise
 

Kaern

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Apr 2, 2008
All pretty negative on Reddit

• Daniel Schütz and his alter ego in constant flux between wanting to be rich and famous and scamming his toxic audience for every last penny they have and being ultra-sensitive. i'll say this: you don't just release a fragrance to the public, there is a reason why almost exclusively mega companies can afford to. not even the greatest designers expect you to buy shit before anyone smells it, he knows his fragrances are going to be terrible and he'll only be able to capitalize on pre-orders. his claim to be 'independent' and never have taken money from the industry is verifiably false. his apology wasn't an apology and his 'brand' is going to shit before it even got popular because his awful personality didn't allow for him to admit mistakes or an embarrassing past 'small town nobody from germany' or pseudo-pop-star from cologne for others
 

Rüssel

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Dec 23, 2010
In one of the videos posted here he claimed, and let's assume that these were true statements and not just something he said after having posted an unpopular video that seems to have made him look a bit greedy even to his fragrance army, that he plans to release an über cheap perfume line of good quality and that one of his dreams is to plant 1000(? can't remember) trees. The latter could be proof that he is still in touch with his healthy, eco, pagan European roots.
 

scooptn

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Apr 23, 2011
I don't begrudge him a penny that he makes from his endeavor, but for sometime now I've been concerned about his stability. He appears to be a hard working young man with a very unhealthy obsession. I can't in good conscience contribute to his self destruction.
 

Diamondflame

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Fancy that. An official thread to discuss a fragrance that’s not even in existence? I guess even the great Basenotes is not immune to Jeremy’s influence, huh?? Smells like a ploy to get more eyeballs from his Frag Army.

I’m disappointed to say the least.
 

painted_klown

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Jan 5, 2019
I'm legitimately interested in seeing the reviews, once Office is out in the wild. I imagine a good amount of the you tube fragrance community will have videos about it.

Yes, I'm aware of Jeremy's reputation, but Alberto Morallis has made some classic fragrances. Morallis' work on Office is separate from JF and his image IMO.

I think the fragrance should be judged on its own merit, disregarding JF being the brand it's going to be released under.

I'm quite aware that notion is a fantasy, however. The loyal Army followers will praise it while the haters will trash it...neither side being objective. In some cases, I'd imagine, without even testing the fragrance prior to "reviewing" it.
 

Birdboy48

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Jul 10, 2011
As we've all been made painfully aware of recently, there will always be questionable specimens of humanity out there, which is probably nothing we should be surprised about. Because of the inherent nature of their personalities, these folks really can't help being who they are, so while they may rub us the wrong way, they are simply being themselves, and we can't really blame them for that.

The main problem I see with the Jeremy situation, is that his approach to his fragrance pretty much embodies everything that folks in the hobby currently would wish to ignore. Generally we have to wait for a vaguely respectful amount of time before fragrance houses begin shamelessly raising their prices. Not with Jeremy - He's way out in front of most houses, and has tripled the cost of his frag before it's even come on the market. :thumbsup:

Frequently new houses will prattle on about "precious ingredients" as an apparent rational for their overblown prices. Jeremy doesn't make the slightest pretense of bothering with that; he goes out of his way to make sure people understand that his price is triple what he's already admitted he could make a good profit at "just because." In fact, Jeremy smilingly makes sure to assure us that (as apparently is the case with all "art") simply by tripling the price, he's tripled the quality of his product as well.

Folks in this hobby already contort our thinking enough as it is, in order to rationalize the sorts of overblown prices we sometimes find ourselves paying. And here we have this openly creepy fellow blatantly serving as a characterization of just how much BS we often pay for the privilege of swallowing when we find ourselves doing that.

While he may be an obnoxious figure personally, it's also the fact that knowingly or not, he goes out of his way to shamelessly rub our nose in everything that we take pains to ignore about the fragrance game that I believe makes both him and his sure-to-be-safe "office frag" so irritatingly unsettling.
 

Hobbes

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Oct 5, 2007
Fancy that. An official thread to discuss a fragrance that’s not even in existence? I guess even the great Basenotes is not immune to Jeremy’s influence, huh?? Smells like a ploy to get more eyeballs from his Frag Army.

I’m disappointed to say the least.

agree with this

unless this post is being used as a catchall to prevent other threads about Jeremy Fragrance from being made - aka quarantine
 

A10

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Dec 2, 2017
Fancy that. An official thread to discuss a fragrance that’s not even in existence? I guess even the great Basenotes is not immune to Jeremy’s influence, huh?? Smells like a ploy to get more eyeballs from his Frag Army.

I’m disappointed to say the least.

This. Bizarre.
 

furrypine

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Here we go, a post had to be deleted and the member was banned. Guys, I am deadly serious, I will not tolerate any slander or you are off the site.
 

Democritus

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Mar 7, 2017
It's disheartening to see that all previous threads about Jeremy Fragrance went off the rails and had to be closed. But he is an interesting phenomenon worth discussing, so we try again in this, the OFFICIAL Jeremy Fragrance fragrance thread. :thumbsup:

What have we covered thoroughly in the other threads? Let summarize: He is a douche, a sex pest, a fraud, mentally ill, and you despise him. Now, can we move on? As an "internet famous" person I see no problem snarking on him but it all too easily tips over into outright slander.

If all you have to contribute is "I hate him" your comment will be deleted and you end up on the watch list of the moderators, and before you know it you have been banned from the site. There is a lot to be said about Jeremy as a marketer, Youtuber and product developer, and the other threads had many thoughtful posts covering those areas, and that's what I want to see a continuation of here.

Here is the directory entry by the way: http://www.basenotes.net/ID26157725.html

Could you please explain a little more what is acceptable and what isn't in this thread ?
I've already had a post removed and can't for the life of me see any difference between that and some of the posts that are still up.
If the word "narcissist" is banned ( though there is still a post up using that word) or any word alluding to a mental / emotional condition could you please clarify before people find themselves banned.
Thank you.
 

slvrbckgorilla

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Feb 16, 2011
Meh...I wish we would just stop talking about him all together. If this quarantines the conversation about him on the site, I suppose it's worth having this.
 

furrypine

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Could you please explain a little more what is acceptable and what isn't in this thread ?
I've already had a post removed and can't for the life of me see any difference between that and some of the posts that are still up.
If the word "narcissist" is banned ( though there is still a post up using that word) or any word alluding to a mental / emotional condition could you please clarify before people find themselves banned.
Thank you.

We can have that conversation when you come back, if you want to. For the rest of you, why not err on the side of caution and not discuss Jeremy's mental health.
 

BoyChanel

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Jun 18, 2014
I think you moderators should keep a watch on people feverishly tapping that report button out of spite or malice because it's obvious that it's being done to specific users. People also shouldn't be reprimanded for using innocent sarcasm or showing a sense of harmless personality which this site is sorely lacking. Things that would enliven a place seem to be heavily suppressed and it's bizarre to say the least.
 

furrypine

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I think you moderators should keep a watch on people feverishly tapping that report button out of spite or malice because it's obvious that it's being done to specific users. People also shouldn't be reprimanded for using innocent sarcasm or showing a sense of harmless personality which this site is sorely lacking.

We are pretty good at sorting the wheat from the chaff when it comes to what members flag. There are very few instances of "revenge" reporting to the mods, and I have to say members are remarkably restrained in their comments when they report issues.

Don't forget that we are an international site and for many of us English is a secondary language. That makes sarcasm and irony tricky to use, and allowances for mistakes should be made and to always assume that a clunky comment was not ill-intended but probably a language issue. We take that into consideration and I feel that most members do too. If you feel you have been treated unfairly let me know (In a PM, though)
 

notspendingamillion

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I think you moderators should keep a watch on people feverishly tapping that report button out of spite or malice because it's obvious that it's being done to specific users. People also shouldn't be reprimanded for using innocent sarcasm or showing a sense of harmless personality which this site is sorely lacking. Things that would enliven a place seem to be heavily suppressed and it's bizarre to say the least.

:tekst-toppie:
 

BoyChanel

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Jun 18, 2014
We are pretty good at sorting the wheat from the chaff when it comes to what members flag. There are very few instances of "revenge" reporting to the mods, and I have to say members are remarkably restrained in their comments when they report issues.

Don't forget that we are an international site and for many of us English is a secondary language. That makes sarcasm and irony tricky to use, and allowances for mistakes should be made and to always assume that a clunky comment was not ill-intended but probably a language issue. We take that into consideration and I feel that most members do too. If you feel you have been treated unfairly let me know (In a PM, though)

Ok, thank you :)
 

Frampton

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Oct 22, 2008
He's a great looking guy with nice suits who parades pretty girls on his channel. I don't always (or often) agree with his choices, but his opinions are usually thoughtful, reasoned, and consistent. He's super slick and seems prepared. Aside from his sometimes questionable palette, I don't understand the hate on the guy.
 

Hobbes

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Oct 5, 2007
Frankly, this is pretty ridiculous

What is slander? Does this mean that only positive opinions on Jeremy Fragrance are allowed, and any negative posts are going to be suppressed + the members responsible are going to be banned?

I don't even care about JF, but this is a horrible precedent to set.
 

epapsiou

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Sep 28, 2015
Fancy that. An official thread to discuss a fragrance that’s not even in existence? I guess even the great Basenotes is not immune to Jeremy’s influence, huh?? Smells like a ploy to get more eyeballs from his Frag Army.

I’m disappointed to say the least.

^^This.
I guess Grant decided he needs Jeremy's Fragrance Army for this website. I realize the business sense in doing an official Jeremy page as there are a lot more of them than us. A shame nonetheless.
 

bpl12

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Oct 8, 2018
He's a great looking guy with nice suits who parades pretty girls on his channel. I don't always (or often) agree with his choices, but his opinions are usually thoughtful, reasoned, and consistent. He's super slick and seems prepared. Aside from his sometimes questionable palette, I don't understand the hate on the guy.

I concur! I enjoy his videos. Nice wind down material after a long work day. I likely won't be acquiring his perfume, and that's that :) Time to pass out some chill pills! He's got a right to charge 5 grand for a bottle if he so pleases. If folks buy it, they buy it. If they don't, they don't. Holy macaroni :laugh:
 

furrypine

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Frankly, this is pretty ridiculous

What is slander? Does this mean that only positive opinions on Jeremy Fragrance are allowed, and any negative posts are going to be suppressed + the members responsible are going to be banned?

I don't even care about JF, but this is a horrible precedent to set.

See the first post and the examples I've listed. It shouldn't be hard to criticize the product or marketing without calling him mentally disturbed. We wouldn't allow you to talk about Thierry Wasser that way, why should Jeremy Fragrance be treated differently?
 

xray

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Dec 12, 2012
Frankly, this is pretty ridiculous

What is slander?
For starters, it's not regarding what is written on a message board forum. The written equivalent is libel. Second, name calling is generally neither slander nor libel as it usually doesn't imply something factual about the person (even "what a narcissist" is obviously a a comment regarding someone's level of narcissism and will not be seriously taken as a medical diagnosis). Democritus' question was a good one as many here are confused as what's allowed and what's not; it wouldn't be of help to just him. IME, what gets deleted here is okay when one person says something and not when another does.
 
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