The Beautiful Stink - What Ugly Materials Do You Use?

[Thioacetone]

I found this, which I thought was interesting. This guy mixed a bunch of carboxylic acids together in low concentration and people loved it.
https://pherotruth.com/Thread-New-Copulins-Supplier
"There are 6 acids which were used, Acetic Acid, Propanoic Acid, Isobutyric Acid, Butyric Acid, Isovaleric Acid and 2-Methyl Pentanoic Acid. "

 

[jfrater]

I found this, which I thought was interesting. This guy mixed a bunch of carboxylic acids together in low concentration and people loved it.
https://pherotruth.com/Thread-New-Copulins-Supplier
"There are 6 acids which were used, Acetic Acid, Propanoic Acid, Isobutyric Acid, Butyric Acid, Isovaleric Acid and 2-Methyl Pentanoic Acid. "

Interesting. That guy is BAGreat presumably the guy that posts here.

 

[pkiler]

BRANDON GREATHART, aka BAGreat.
There is quite a record on BN for his treatment of people here.

 

[jfrater]

BRANDON GREATHART, aka BAGreat.
There is quite a record on BN for his treatment of people here.

He appears to have created quite a stir over there! What a curious topic.

 

[smelly_liquid]

Surprised no one has mentioned hyraceum. Find it a very lovely animalic, probably much less versatile than civet but also asks less of the animal in its production. In addition to its animalic characteristics seems to me to have a kind of pleasant dry dusty quality, perhaps best exemplified by its use in Papillon's Salome, one of my favorites.

 

[jfrater]

Surprised no one has mentioned hyraceum. Find it a very lovely animalic, probably much less versatile than civet but also asks less of the animal in its production. In addition to its animalic characteristics seems to me to have a kind of pleasant dry dusty quality, perhaps best exemplified by its use in Papillon's Salome, one of my favorites.

Hyraceum is beautiful! I didn't mention it because it is lovely I sometimes dab a bit on in tincture. Same with castoreum - I have a bottle of tincture that I wear sometimes.

 

[Solua Botanica]

Hyraceum is beautiful! I didn't mention it because it is lovely I sometimes dab a bit on in tincture. Same with castoreum - I have a bottle of tincture that I wear sometimes.

I also use these two pure as a perfume, I also think they smell lovely.
They have the ability to blend and create an alchemy with one's body smell.
The way they evolve on the skin and clothing is just magic.
I have certain shirts that have the collar forever stained with a sweet, balsamic smell of aged animalics.
This 'base layer' can really amplify and diffuse any other perfume I put on my neck while wearing these shirts.
The magic of animalics...

 

[polysom]

I don't own that many stinky materials. I do have civet paste, castoreum givco (doesn't really stink), indol, IBQ, furfuryl mercaptan, and ambrinol S. I like to blend with ambrinol S and castoreum givco. I've never blended with furfuryl mercaptan, because it stinks even in high dilution. I've blended one time with civet paste, but I had to open the bottle on the balcony because of the massive stink and the blend wasn't very pleasant.

 

[Citroasis]

Ironically enough, im now playing with Firmenich's Civette Synth....and dosing it 0.002% in the final formula cause this material scares me a bit, It can get out of hand real quick! But it does add a subtle warmth before its noticeably "stinky"

 

[David Ruskin]

Sometimes what is thought of as "high dilution", isn't. Furfuryl mercaptan is effective at parts per billion. Try 0.001% solution for starters, and be prepared to dilute even further.

 

[Alex F.]

Anything with mercapt-(an)/thiol, the name alone puts me on stink/high intensity alert.

 

[polysom]

Sometimes what is thought of as "high dilution", isn't. Furfuryl mercaptan is effective at parts per billion. Try 0.001% solution for starters, and be prepared to dilute even further.

Will try, thanks for you suggestion.

 

[jfrater]

Ironically enough, im now playing with Firmenich's Civette Synth....and dosing it 0.002% in the final formula cause this material scares me a bit, It can get out of hand real quick! But it does add a subtle warmth before its noticeably "stinky"

Yeah the problem with civet synthetics is that the skatole is rarely balanced out - the fats and waxes of natural animal secretions seems to envelope the skatole and balance it. I have yet to meet a third party (aside from my own) synthetic civet that doesn't ultimately screech. Having said that, I've used synthetic civet in a perfume especially because I wanted that imbalanced skatole - it blended very well with other notes.

 

[dreaming_jewels]

Speaking of Roudnitska, I kept smelling Eau d'Hermès around my workshop. Then I realized that recent project smelled exactly like it. It's a box made from Honduran Rosewood, which has bridle leather and contact cement, beeswax, etc.
I had read that Eau d'Hermès is a challenging animalic that contains cumin, possibly civet in older versions. I've also read that Roudnitska was recreating the scent of an Hermès saddle. The examples I have are the copper top. I'm not sure if these contain civet.
Cumin can smell a lot like body odor. To me, it's an interesting idea to wear a fragrance that stinks more. I don't have BO. Sad but true. My brothers are the same. Perhaps fragrances with cumin, like Eau d'Hermès, can provide this aroma, so that we can smell normal.
I'm kidding of course, but for me, this is an interesting facet of perfumery.

 

[jfrater]

Speaking of Roudnitska, I kept smelling Eau d'Hermès around my workshop. Then I realized that recent project smelled exactly like it. It's a box made from Honduran Rosewood, which has bridle leather and contact cement, beeswax, etc.
I had read that Eau d'Hermès is a challenging animalic that contains cumin, possibly civet in older versions. I've also read that Roudnitska was recreating the scent of an Hermès saddle. The examples I have are the copper top. I'm not sure if these contain civet.
Cumin can smell a lot like body odor. To me, it's an interesting idea to wear a fragrance that stinks more. I don't have BO. Sad but true. My brothers are the same. Perhaps fragrances with cumin, like Eau d'Hermès, can provide this aroma, so that we can smell normal.
I'm kidding of course, but for me, this is an interesting facet of perfumery.

Cuminaldehyde features in one of the classic lily bases that Roudnittska created so it is possible he used it in Eau D'Hermes (in the base, or even as a direct add). He was particularly good at dirtying up fragrances in a really profoundly interesting way. His Parfum de Therese is very much an example of that. It's almost like he passed a tipping point and kept only the dirty note and dispensed with the beautiful part hah.

 

[Agonhoun]

Asafoetida )) LOL , slightly spoiled onion with vanilla
But the worst thing I have is the soil ether from Takasago

I like natural civet, i have also a few version of sinth., but no one good for me like natural. Unfortunately to find dificult in my country
I like hyraceum, castoreum

 

[Shrike]

I love stinkie materials. Right now, I am using muskrat tincture and, in another, skunk scent gland tincture.

Having far more luck with the muskrat. The skunk tincture is fickle. I have it diluted to 0.01% and it still either overpowers the fragrance composition or you can barely smell it at all. Not what Im going for. Been working with it for about six months trying to get a feel for how it works, what it does in composition but it is slow-going.

 

[Thioacetone]

I need to get a pet skunk so I can extract its aromachemicals

 

[Thioacetone]

Speaking of foul smelling chemicals, I recently watched this video about selenoacetone - for that rotten garlic note your formula is missing. I want to smell it. Surely can't be that bad.
Quite entertaining listening to his descriptions of the scents.

 

[Scntwtk]

White pepper!

 

[Thioacetone]

White pepper!

What form of it do U use - like a tincture? I made my own white pepper tincture - really nice and animalic

 

[Scntwtk]

I made my own white pepper tincture

That's intresting! You make me want to try this
PSH carry white pepper SFE from firmenich. I believe it to be a Co2 extract, maybe be futher rectified or fractionated, i'm not sure.
but the character of this material is beyond animalic. very fecal in a lovely way. Powerfull also!

White Pepper SFE (Firmenich 974635) – Perfumer Supply House

perfumersupplyhouse.com

 

[Thioacetone]

I notice different white peppers have different aromas. The ground white pepper I have does not smell animalic/fermented, basically pretty similar to black pepper. Whereas the white whole peppercorns I have are quite animalic. Must be difference in how they are made.

Yeah I do guess it is fecal somewhat. But nice fecal. Not nasty skatole fecal.

Hmm I should explore white pepper in more detail. I just made a small 2 mL tincture months ago but never really explored using it much. Thank U for reminding me how much I like it

I quite prefer botanical to animal sources of animalics as I can't afford the animal products lol

 

[Thioacetone]

The thought of attempting an extraction on my dog's poop has briefly crossed my mind...

On another note, I was walking through the subway yesterday and smelled old dried piss from some hobo and thought about how phenylacetic acid smells urinous but sweet and I did appreciate some sweetness to the dried urine smell and wondered what chemical is responsible. I know phenylacetic acid is made by the body and excreted in urine but not sure in what concentration.
Why does my dried piss not smell sweet? Perhaps there is something special about hobo piss that makes it sweet. Like their diet, or their health. Maybe they have more phenylacetic acid in their urine.

I want to try extracting stinky tofu. I quite like the smell. Very animalic but not unpleasant.
Does anyone else get annoyed by people who don't appreciate animalic scents? Like I sprayed some of my homemade perfume on my mother which was a mix of things floral and amber but quite heavy in benzoin and labdanum and she said it smells nice at first but then smells bad the next day (I assume she is referring to the lasting scent from the resins).
How could anyone hate labdanum? It is my favourite substance. Hating skatole I understand. But labdanum?
The idea of disliking animalic scents is akin to being a sterile robot that watches mainstream media and is devoid of personality and intelligence I feel. There are so many nuances and complexities to animalic scents that people are missing out on when they just think "yuk".

Edited by Foxbins--3 posts in a row without a comment from anyone else, so I combined them.

 

[jfrater]

Does anyone else get annoyed by people who don't appreciate animalic scents? Like I sprayed some of my homemade perfume on my mother which was a mix of things floral and amber but quite heavy in benzoin and labdanum and she said it smells nice at first but then smells bad the next day (I assume she is referring to the lasting scent from the resins).

How could anyone hate labdanum? It is my favourite substance. Hating skatole I understand. But labdanum?

The idea of disliking animalic scents is akin to being a sterile robot that watches mainstream media and is devoid of personality and intelligence I feel. There are so many nuances and complexities to animalic scents that people are missing out on when they just think "yuk".

Hating skatole!?! Get out of here with that talk!

 

[Thioacetone]

Hating skatole!?! Get out of here with that talk!

Sorry I am an inferior being who cannot appreciate the true delight that is skatole. I must train myself harder to like it. A true perfumer would appreciate and love all aromachemicals. Much like an artist should not hate colours, for it is the combination of colours that gives the rainbow. Without yellow the rainbow is incomplete. One cannot make brown without yellow. Poo is brown. Skatole is in poo. Therefore one must love skatole to make a complete perfume.

 

[ScentAle]

I have 2 white pepper eos, one is not aromatically very good (maybe bad quality), but the second is very nice and Im using often. It is very similar to black pepper but seems a bit more fruitish and less woody facet, with a great useful airy spiciness.
Cubeb pepper is a weird one, but i'm not a great fan of this.

 

[jfrater]

Sorry I am an inferior being who cannot appreciate the true delight that is skatole. I must train myself harder to like it. A true perfumer would appreciate and love all aromachemicals. Much like an artist should not hate colours, for it is the combination of colours that gives the rainbow. Without yellow the rainbow is incomplete. One cannot make brown without yellow. Poo is brown. Skatole is in poo. Therefore one must love skatole to make a complete perfume.

A good starting point is 0.01% - add it to an existing flower base and see how it goes

 

[Alex F.]

Cubeb pepper is a weird one, but i'm not a great fan of this.

😲 Probably my favourite pepper aroma. Small amounts are wonderful for spicy men's fragrances. It's complex enough on its own, but you can also try using it to support nutmeg to get acquainted with it.

 

[rococo]

Out of all the animalic indolic shitty stinkers I own, for some reason the only one that makes me actually nearly lose my lunch when I open it is indolarome

 

[mnitabach]

Out of all the animalic indolic shitty stinkers I own, for some reason the only one that makes me actually nearly lose my lunch when I open it is indolarome

That's so funny, as I love indolarome & sometimes just wear it on its own, spraying it on my skin at a few ppt in EtOH.

 

[Mr.P]

Does anyone else get annoyed by people who don't appreciate animalic scents? Like I sprayed some of my homemade perfume on my mother which was a mix of things floral and amber but quite heavy in benzoin and labdanum and she said it smells nice at first but then smells bad the next day (I assume she is referring to the lasting scent from the resins).

How could anyone hate labdanum? It is my favourite substance. Hating skatole I understand. But labdanum?

The idea of disliking animalic scents is akin to being a sterile robot that watches mainstream media and is devoid of personality and intelligence I feel. There are so many nuances and complexities to animalic scents that people are missing out on when they just think "yuk".

Labdanum is a funny one. Some extracts smell amazing from top to finish. However, to me, and especially to my wife, others end up smelling too much like an unwashed bottom. Some of the labdanum oils that I can tolerate my wife cannot.

 

[rococo]

That's so funny, as I love indolarome & sometimes just wear it on its own, spraying it on my skin at a few ppt in EtOH.

Get outta here lol.. the nose has so many mysteries for us..

Labdanum is a funny one. Some extracts smell amazing from top to finish. However, to me, and especially to my wife, others end up smelling too much like an unwashed bottom. Some of the labdanum oils that I can tolerate my wife cannot.

Funny indeed. Never met a labdanum I don't absolutely love and I don't think I have encountered a booty note in one (but the idea intrigues me...!). Maybe my favorite material full stop. Similarly, I have a couple deer musk extractions; my partner says, and I believe it is true, that they have a dirty urine-like aspect, but I smell nothing but pure beauty in them and no pissy note at all. Something's up with me for sure.

 

[Solua Botanica]

Never met a labdanum I don't absolutely love and I don't think I have encountered a booty note in one

Me too, I absolutely love the many forms of Labdanum. I have encountered a booty note in one of my bottles though.
The lore behind this resin is fabulous, it has been used since ancient times as medicine and perfume.
Depending on the method it was harvested (raw) or extracted (boiled) it can vary a lot.
I've really been enjoying Cistus Creticus lately and Hydrocarboresine from Biolandes.
When dose properly, the latter can really work some magic in a blend.
I am currently working on assembling ratios from the many extracts I made from raw resins (Creticus and Ladanifer)
My goal is to come up with my own creative version of Labdanum.

 

[Thioacetone]

i love labdanum. if labdanum smells like booty then i must love booty
i am really sad i think i am allergic to it though. it makes me itch
is there any way to get rid of an allergy
like i would be happy wearing just labdanum as a perfume.
is there anything similar to labdanum that i could try that i might not be allergic to?
or should i try different forms of labdanum? and maybe i wont react to some
I've only tried the one source of labdanum

Maybe i gave myself a sensitivity to it by applying a 50% labdanum/etoh mix to my skin when i first got it because I loved it so much even a small % of labdanum makes me itch
i can burn it in an incense burner without making me itch but it doesn't smell the same
all i can really do is sniff it from the bottle periodically to satisfy my labdanum cravings

is there any other way to diffuse it throughout my house? it doesnt dissolve in water so i cant put it in my ultrasonic diffuser
i can't spray an ethanol solution because whatever the little droplets land on makes me itchy eg my bed sheet
i really love labdanum. It also doesn't seem to cause any olfactory fatigue - like i can keep smelling it for ages and ages
It is really the best substance in the whole world
i am sad. i have 50 mL of labdanum absolute sitting in my cupboard that I can't really use
Maybe I could try fractionating it to make my own kind of hydrocarboresin that won't make me itch - ill have to figure out what temperature fraction to take
shouldnt be too hard, i have all the equipment


Edited by a moderator to combine separate posts about the same subject.

 

[Thioacetone]

Do you guys think phenylacetic acid smells distinct enough from urine that I could wear it in public without everyone thinking im a hobo
I like the smell of it

 

[Mr.P]

Hydrocarboresine is a fantastic labdanum. That one passes the “no booty smell” test for my family. I got a sample of “ambrein” from PSH and that batch I can’t go near - wouldn’t want to be caught smelling like that one. Pure booty.

I have smelled tincture of Siberian musk, and I agree it is a sublime scent in spite or because of the urine like notes present in the top notes.

 

[Thioacetone]

Interestingly, I like the booty aspect of labdanum haha
If I burn it in my incense burner I am missing the booty aspect
I love booty
So it sounds like I should get some ambrein

 

[fenomenalguy]

Furfuryl Mercaptan, because i wanted to give a powerfull note of coffee to my project, but ended up overpower all composition, because i think added to much, and btw..mine is dilluted at 0.005%, difficult to work with.

 

[Thioacetone]

Furfuryl Mercaptan, because i wanted to give a powerfull note of coffee to my project, but ended up overpower all composition, because i think added to much, and btw..mine is dilluted at 0.005%, difficult to work with.

Could you further dilute it, if the main issue is that it is too strong?