The Allure of Aventus

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Taking heavy inspiration or flat out cloning is nothing new in the fragrance game when something different comes along and has people voting with their wallets as everyone wants in when it comes to the money but when it comes to Aventus the sheer scale of imitation was immense with literally everyone and their mother trying to get in on the act from pricepoints ranging from £10/100ml all the way up to £200/50ml and some even beyond the cost of the original.

And yet try as they might there isn't one that I've smelled that could claim to hold a candle to the real deal in terms of its depth, complexity, performance or how well it was blended. Heck to be honest even the modern reformulated Aventus doesn't match up to the original vintage composition but its the closest we've got so it will have to do.

What do you think it is about this scent that made it capture the publics attention and corporate imitation the way it did? From my experience running splits I've dealt with loads of people who never wore a fragrance or stuck to strictly cheapo drugstore scents who got a whiff of Aventus and became card carrying converts who'll wear nothing else and that is an immense leap/change of behaviour in any sector and speaks volumes on what we're dealing with here.

For me the scent is (was) the perfect juxtaposition of light and dark, clean and dirty and variety of other opposites that was captured moving in different directions at the same time with a very elegant level of balance as well as a whole load of subtle nuance that made it an absolute joy to wear along with the reaction it garners. Now we know its got a few captives doing what they do in there and this creates obstacles for the DIY styled amongst you who'll have to improvise their way around this obstacle but even simple things such as manzanate which you'd expect to be uniform across the board simply aren't and this is one thing I've noted again and again with clones of various price points is the raw materials used by Creed just feel so much better. Case in point the manzanate used to create the pineapple accord just smells cheap/plasticy in so many clones and the same can be said of the oakmoss and patchouli most notably and thats before we get into the compositional booboos made by industrious folks peering at GCs trying to recreate the magic in their bedroom labs.

Now this could be down to the skill of the perfumer, his nose and his method of blending and use of other notes in order to bolster the accord, which of course has a massive influence on the end product, but time and time again I've noticed that there definitely seems to be huge differences in the raw quality of components sourced from various places as not everything does what it says on the tin even though they all claim to be identical. I can see how a company like Creed with its links to Firmenich can afford to source the best of the best, highest quality components but why is it that the market for end users seems so very hit and miss with what they're offering for sale as this creates another front for the battle for cloned excellence to be fought on.

Going back to the original composition, to me its a work of art and the perfect encapsulation of the zeitgest it was born into as it oozes nouveau riche splendor and was simply unlike anything that had came before it and truly was a thing of wonder. Do we, collectively, know anything about the true identity of whoever made it as I don't believe for a moment that anyone at Creed is anywhere near as capable of making this and as such am firmly in the camp that this was a ghosted composition with its true author choosing to forego fame/recognition for this one in exchange for a quiet (and large) royalty cheque. Why do I think that? Simple, in 2003 Ralph Lauren dropped Purple Label and the scent is to Aventus what this outline is to the Mona Lisa:

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Its a very basic outline, work in progress sketch which by itself is nothing significant but once you've experienced this:

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All of a sudden you can spot the prototype in the first sketch and that is exactly what it smells like to me. A rough draft, work in progress, barebones version of Aventus that was captured, bottled and released to the public whilst the nose kept it on back burner and tinkered with it for another few years and then it was gifted to the world as Aventus. Inhaling the RL scent allows you to pick out the raw, basic character of Aventus and it seems blatantly obvious, to me at least, that whoever made that also made Aventus as you can always spot an artist in his output and it is coincidentally credited to Firmenich. So whoever the mystery nose was who made Aventus and chose to remain in the shadows for whatever reason, I salute thee as do, albeit unconsciously, the dearth of imitators attempting and generally failing to create this:

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Also I know that a lot of you reading here have made your own proof of concept take on the scent and I'm wondering how did you feel with what you'd achieved? My inbox always welcomes invites to sample your creation but I'll warn you now I pull no punches and will tell you exactly what I sniff if you feel like sending over a sample as I know this scent quite well by now in all of its various batches (stroke of genius move there) and incarnations but am interested to see what y'all have been cooking up.
 

Kaern

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Apr 2, 2008
All I know is that when I first tested Aventus (in the Spring of 2010), I totally fell in love -- it was overpowering and physical. Nothing before or since has given me this feeling.

And although we had been waiting over 5 years for this new masculine, there wasn't half of the hype that has enveloped Viking.
 
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All I know is that when I first tested Aventus (in the Spring of 2010), I totally fell in love -- it was overpowering and physical. Nothing before or since has given me this feeling.

This is very true. There was almost something visceral about the first hit of Aventus and the high it produced as it certainly was a joy to inhale and nothing before or since scratches that itch that you weren't aware existed until Aventus hit the spot and this is part of what I've been waxing lyrical about as there is something "more" about this juice on a technical level, some kind of insider trick or technique that generates this response as it was designed to do and that is but one of the things that intrigues me about it.
 
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This is very true. There was almost something visceral about the first hit of Aventus and the high it produced as it certainly was a joy to inhale and nothing before or since scratches that itch that you weren't aware existed until Aventus hit the spot and this is part of what I've been waxing lyrical about as there is something "more" about this juice on a technical level, some kind of insider trick or technique that generates this response as it was designed to do and that is but one of the things that intrigues me about it.

Not intending to tread on anyone's pleasures, but I have never felt any allure to Creed, by and large, but these points you both bring up now make me wonder if this is why: the fact that so many people write glowing reviews of their work and, personally, the actual present-day experiences always seriously pale in comparison to the words. Admittedly I've never really followed Creed, either, but now I pine for some of the more original formulations to test those experiences.
 
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Not intending to tread on anyone's pleasures, but I have never felt any allure to Creed, by and large, but these points you both bring up now make me wonder if this is why: the fact that so many people write glowing reviews of their work and, personally, the actual present-day experiences always seriously pale in comparison to the words. Admittedly I've never really followed Creed, either, but now I pine for some of the more original formulations to test those experiences.

The current Aventus trades heavily on its former glories but even with that said the first few batches out the door were a tad clunky compared to what came a few months later once they ironed out the glitches but yes indeed it was a day and night difference as the original scent was a work of art in how well it was put together and how it managed to hit so many sensations at once whilst never smelling overbearing or chaotic as the accords were so wonderfully balanced along with the veritable treasure trove of nuance that revealed more and more of itself on each wearing.

Picture this, the first formula was akin to a 3D scene that you witnessed unfolding live in front of your eyes. The reformulation is much like a picture that was taken of that scene and as such is flat and lacking depth in both senses of the term and a poor reflection of what once was but still presents a passable facsimile of what made it great to those that don't know the difference.

Personally the second formula, especially whats in stores now as it went through a few wilderness years where batches were all over the place as they were trying to decide what to do now the fun stuff had been removed and ended up with this top heavy, uber linear pineapple extravaganza is only recognizable as Aventus due to the fact that is uses the same ingredients as the proportions, accord structure and overall blend is totally different to what originally made it great.

Don't get me wrong, its still a great fragrance but whereas the original was a 10/10 all day long the current formula ranges between a 7 or 8/10 depending upon the batch as there can be huge fluctuations which in and of themselves are interesting as each one gives you a peek behind the curtain so to speak depending upon whats missing or amped up this time round.
 
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Following on from a thought in another thread:

I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that most of the folks in here have attempted to whip up their own version of Aventus at some point along with the fact there are quite a few people in here with a GC. Scratch that, there are a few people in here with a few GCs as it all depends upon the batch that was analyzed, the cost/detail of the report and all the other factors at play.

My question to you lot is would you be willing to release the GC infos you all have out into the wild so to speak as at this point Aventus cloning is pretty much a moot point and I feel it would be interesting to see what the similarities and differences in terms of report and approach as it would stimulate an interesting discussion for those who wish a peek behind the scenes. You could do this for free or you cold request a "donation" to cover costs incurred and suchlike, either way I think it would be great as most of the data floating around for this scent online is patchy at best or flat out wrong like that GC where its twinned with Sauvage and, who knows, maybe the pooling of ideas and perspectives might finally allow someone to create a scent reminiscent of the real deal instead of all of these "close enough" clones that clog the marketplace.
 

Sheik Yerbouti

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Jul 20, 2017
There are so many reasons why Aventus holds the stature it does and being somewhat alluring is definitely one of them. In my view it was also groundbreaking in that it took a relatively unknown accord and a new de facto perfume group emerged from it. Pineapple/Musk/Smoke/Ambregris now minus the smoke. It combines those contrasting elements but ultimately, simply put, it just smells good. Not just good but it makes you go back in for another sniff again and again and again. There is something addictive about it (---ahem -crack- ahem--- IWUSKIDDIN..IWUSONLYKIDDING..). It just has something about it.

Another huge reason it has been so successful is there are just so many variations of Aventus but they are all called Aventus. Some flankers from other houses don't possess the level of difference from its original that Aventus does from one batch to certain others. Creed have succeeded by any and all means to capture the imagination of vast swathes especially because they have such a variety of scents all called Aventus. So in essence there is something to cater for everyone from pineapple heavy, to smokey, to transparent, to dense, to sparkling, to dark-- you name it, they've got it.

We're now 8 years into the Aventus rollercoaster and the ride ain't over. Not by a damn sight. Keep them coming Creed.

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To answer OPs question, I think a big part of what makes it alluring is, just a gut feeling mind you, Paradisone. Due to the fact that it was Hedione that made Eau Sauvage a woman magnet. It certainly must have an addictive quality like aforementioned drug. Not the only one but if Aventus is made up of 15-20% Paradisone it must have some kind of effect. What do think Palm?
 
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Geco

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Jun 14, 2015
Following on from a thought in another thread:

I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that most of the folks in here have attempted to whip up their own version of Aventus at some point along with the fact there are quite a few people in here with a GC. Scratch that, there are a few people in here with a few GCs as it all depends upon the batch that was analyzed, the cost/detail of the report and all the other factors at play.

My question to you lot is would you be willing to release the GC infos you all have out into the wild so to speak as at this point Aventus cloning is pretty much a moot point and I feel it would be interesting to see what the similarities and differences in terms of report and approach as it would stimulate an interesting discussion for those who wish a peek behind the scenes. You could do this for free or you cold request a "donation" to cover costs incurred and suchlike, either way I think it would be great as most of the data floating around for this scent online is patchy at best or flat out wrong like that GC where its twinned with Sauvage and, who knows, maybe the pooling of ideas and perspectives might finally allow someone to create a scent reminiscent of the real deal instead of all of these "close enough" clones that clog the marketplace.

Aventus it's a great fragrance.
But, but most of us of "diy", we aren't a Creed fans (like in other forums) or "copyists" : we "work" in all brands, but, especially, we study to master an "art" completely,in all its nuances, without biting us
(ps: logically, everyone has their favorite fragrance....i prefer much more ,for example, M7 or DHI or Ambre Nuit, than Aventus, For me Aventus is too much "light" and without deep, for a man,I find it a superficial fragrance. But this is my personal taste...) hi
excuse me my bad english
 
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nicok

Super Member
Aug 7, 2012
I cannot understand the hype about Aventus at all. Smells generic to me.
Like a deodorant fragrance made into perfume.
It is nice for the bedlinen, but I wouldn't wear it.
I found a clone of it by the way, which smells 100% the same and is a more concentrated for 7 euros.
 
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Sober

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Sep 2, 2017
you pay aventus 220 euros just because it's called creed. And the absurd thing is that people buy it. Sauvage is absolute crap but I think it's better than the current version of aventus. I once purchased bois du portugal and I don't know why the spray mechanism didn't work... So I decanted the juice into a simple glass bottle with a simple atomizer... I used it a couple of time...creed without creed's bottle and without creed's bells and whistles... And I said to myself: here are my 220 euros? REALLY?
 

secondfloor

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Sep 15, 2011
Sounds like Palmolive just wants everyone else’s hard work in lieu of his own. Why doesn’t he have a go at his own copies of terre and aventus and post those? Oh wait, I think I know why.
 

Sober

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Sep 2, 2017
it would be a great thing if we could split the cost of a gc and share the result... But we should be at least 10 or more ... And there are a lot of logistical problems and of course someone that collect the money...
 

Jowan

Basenotes Dependent
May 19, 2015
Excellent read, Palm. Always enjoy it. I'm about to go shopping at the grocery store. I put on 15X01 with a few shots of 11Z01 that was graciously sent to me by a fellow member. I feel like this fragrance is the finishing touch for someone who is very confident. I do not let Aventus wear me. If that makes sense. I shower and choose to put on the best scent IMO opinion ever created because I handle shit.

Your insight on this fragrance is fun to hear. I've been battling it for years, but I can't always describe it. I've been sciencing the shit out of why this fragrance does what it does if you enjoy wearing it, and some.of the things I dug up are pretty consistent going through the years, if inconsistency can be consistent. I find it highly interesting here in 2018, that a lot of the concerns with this particular fragrance actually date back to around 2013. There were batch variations in 2010,2011,and 2012 batches but recently if you dabble into it, the 2013 batches are supposedly the bees knees, with the Z batches living on a cliff in a far away island surrounded by unicorns with lazors are their freaking heads. Fast forward to one of many comments I have saved from anonymous people from various blogs

"I know this topic has been beaten quite a few times, but, I need some help. I just ordered a bottle (I hope it's authentic, thoughts??) and got a great deal on it. It is the Z01 batch. I think this is the 2013 batch. I do not have anything to compare it to as this is my first bottle of Aventus.....Honestly, I might get 4 hours out of this scent. It is gone after that. I can't smell any of it! I took some pics...."

Sounds all too familiar. Lol. That was one of many saying since 2012 that they get 2 to.4 hours longevity with this fragrsnce. I just thought this was cool. Thanks for the good post as always. Cheers Sir!
 

Franciscus

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May 15, 2013
There is no allure in aventus, but only ... hedione and iso e super and all in big plastic buckets... it is a cheap scent (it reminds me 90s shower gel, a few dollars deodorants), the hype around Creed is only marketing, very often fomented by those working for him, retailers and wholesalers. They are all fragrances for nothing original and constructed with poor materials, and fixatives in overdosing. No fragrances expert estimates Creed and his BS.
 
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gandhajala

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Sep 3, 2010
There is no allure in aventus, but only hedione and iso and super buckets, it is a cheap scent (it reminds me 90s shower gel, a few dollars deodorants), the hype around Creed is only marketing, very often fomented by those working for him, retailers and wholesalers. They are all fragrances for nothing original and constructed with poor materials, and fixatives in overdosing. No fragrances expert estimates Creed and his BS.

Have you seen a reliable GC/MS of Aventus?
It's fine not to like the scent, and it's fine to object to Creed's marketing, but I don't think it is correct to say it is "constructed with poor materials" and is characterised only by "hedione and iso and (sic.) super buckets".
 

Franciscus

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May 15, 2013
Oh my god, was not it already understood? Of course I have the GCMS of Aventus (and other Creed perfumes), was not it understood? I'm sorry. Aventus is built at 90% on 4 cheap materials in exaggerated doses. These are very cheap materials. In some GCMS is observed the presence of embarrassing ocimene, compared to the values of the formula, it is probable that Creed often use old, non-quality, oxidized citrus oil, a sign that involving the whole supply chain. The first or second request (and priority) from the Creed office to the contractors is "can we spend less?"... True.
They produce at different contractors in France. This is the reason why their perfumes change from batch to batch! Their headquarter is a very poor shed, near a tile warehouse, in the middle of corn-grown agricultural fields in the outskirts of Paris, and is only dedicated to bottling perfumes prepared elsewhere. It is not an elegant, rich, historical place, but it is the essence of Creed, the fiction of luxury.
The brand was actually founded in 1989, the first GIT perfume is by Pierre Bourdon but the date of 1985 is a backdating. Before 1989 there were no Creed perfumes. Only at the beginning of the 80s there was an Olivier Creed brand but it did not have an assortment, it sold an anonymous Cologne and an after-shave. In that historic moment they had not yet invented the BS of ancestors and perfumes worn by stars of the past who ... died before the perfumes were invented and created, all after 1989.
Olivier Creed is not the real owner of the Creed brand, he is just a minority member, a kind of actor, like his son. There has never existed a Mr. Creed "perfumer", they can not explain anything about perfumery and for this reason the fragrance meetings ... let others speak. And they sweat a lot ... like those who are constantly embarrassed. Lies are uncomfortable...
Their "tax office" is in Luxembourg, a mini-apartment managed by only Italian personnel.
Anything else? Yes ;) If you make a check, you will also find out that the noble honors that they embellish are false.
 
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perfectscent

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Mar 28, 2006
For all DYIers out there, you can try an accord of neobutenone alpha (or dynascone), ambroxan, clearwood, helvetolide/ambrettolide combo, lily of the valley accord of your preference and a dose of lymolene (like dihydromyrcenol just cleaner or dhm if that's what you only have) and you'll get the basic idea of aventus - upon which you can build on
-- (with for example birch tar, galbanum molecules, pineapple acs, woody bases, oakmoss base, herbs like rosemary and many more).
 
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mkturker

Super Member
May 11, 2014
I try to find what is excellent in Aventus and seek for maybe three years.I find that the smoky odor is coming from special form of hedione named paradisone.Because IMO, paradisone is a patiented formula for some special firms.Actually natural jasmine scent have a little smoky note but IMO paradisone have HUGE.Because paradisone is developed because of some problems about Natural Jasmine and Hedione. Natural Jasmine has a very powerfull odor and it must be cut somewhere in perfume but it is impossible in natural.As i understood from readings about hedione and paradisone, paradisone is a GMO of hedione and natural jasmine.But it must be a good study that everyone wonder it.

I try to find replicated Aventus from essential oil manifacturer in Turkey and other firms representatives in Turkey.I find nearest two replicated EO like original Aventus but both of them are missing something either smoky note or top note like original.If one has smoky note, it misses musk or deep note or if it has powerfull deep note, it misses something about top note.

I must avow that original Aventus birch note is like rubbish.Very heavy and dislike to a sweety or expensive perfume.But IMO patcouli and jasmine have a excellent opening with other fruity notes.What is that riveting me,IMO patchouli,apple and jasmine on top and middle.But i have never smelt streghtly musk and ambergris in replicas may be because of cost.I think it is not a secret to find same with paradisone or others like aventus because we are in knowlegde age and while White House’s secrets can’t hide,Creed’s secret will appear.

There is nothing keep secret but it may take time or anyone have no will to spend or share something about formula

By the way,my thanks to Jeroen Sparla for his kindly help for advise about my preparetion about “My Aventus”

I try it when i have enough budget for spending somethig for my aventus(if my wife isn’t angry with me ����)
 
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Franciscus

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May 15, 2013
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You write a thousand lines of things you do not know at all. Paradisone is a variant form of Methyldhydrojasmonate, absolutely nothing to do with smoky notes. It is much easier that Creed uses common Hedione not special but oxidized, because the Creed house uses stock scraps. They are famous for their continuous search for down-price subcontractors (in France). Creed works with very low technical standards. There is no enthusiasm in Aventus but only depression. A sly and lucky marketing.
Stop infiltrating forums and sites like Fragrantica to pull the Hype, Aventus is a trivial scent. It's worthless. It's all about marketing and BS.
 

mkturker

Super Member
May 11, 2014
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You write a thousand lines of things you do not know at all. Paradisone is a variant form of Methyldhydrojasmonate, absolutely nothing to do with smoky notes. It is much easier that Creed uses common Hedione not special but oxidized, because the Creed house uses stock scraps. They are famous for their continuous search for down-price subcontractors (in France). Creed works with very low technical standards. There is no enthusiasm in Aventus but only depression. A sly and lucky marketing.
Stop infiltrating forums and sites like Fragrantica to pull the Hype, Aventus is a trivial scent. It's worthless. It's all about marketing and BS.

That’s your opinion Franciscus.If it was only marketing etc.,anyone wouldn’t pay 300$ for a bottleof fragrance.Creed Aventus is an Art.I think so,because of my opinion and taste.

If you don’t like aventus,don’t like.But i like,love this scent.

If it was easy to replicate it,you could find it everywhere same but,i know that it is very hard to clone its top note.

If you have about preparing its top notes same,please share it with us and solve the “Big Problem”

Maybe there is something wrong about firm quality and supply chain for Creed,but at the end of product we see that it is enough to spend more money for people.
 
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Franciscus

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May 15, 2013
These lies about captives are ridiculous for anyone (like me) who has seen a true and reliable GCMS (there is no physical space in the calculation results for any captive)! Of this ordinary perfume for people who do not distinguish Art from Trash! Aventus is very easy to reproduce. And you do not need captives to do it better, so... stop spreading ignorance. The formulas change from batch to batch because Creed entrusts production to different subcontractors. Here's the mystery, but trust me, it's always a race to put in the bottle, the most bitter stuff in the world. You only like it because it's expensive. And the formula as many experts know, is not at all original, because it is copied from a previous success (mainstream).

I am convinced that even among us there are infiltrators who make the business interest of the Creed company (including SELLERS). There is a Creed Mafia, the same one that has spread the lies about the history of the brand (which in reality, was born in the 90s) paying space in the media over the last 18 years. Did any of you know Creed before the year 2000? :coolold: Very difficult...
 
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mkturker

Super Member
May 11, 2014
These lies about captives are ridiculous for anyone (like me) who has seen a true and reliable GCMS (there is no physical space in the calculation results for any captive)! Of this ordinary perfume for people who do not distinguish Art from Trash! Aventus is very easy to reproduce. And you do not need captives to do it better, so... stop spreading ignorance. The formulas change from batch to batch because Creed entrusts production to different subcontractors. Here's the mystery, but trust me, it's always a race to put in the bottle, the most bitter stuff in the world. You only like it because it's expensive. And the formula as many experts know, is not at all original, because it is copied from a previous success (mainstream).

I am convinced that even among us there are infiltrators who make the business interest of the Creed company (including SELLERS). There is a Creed Mafia, the same one that has spread the lies about the history of the brand (which in reality, was born in the 90s) paying space in the media over the last 18 years. Did any of you know Creed before the year 2000? :coolold: Very difficult...


Dear Franciscus,

Maybe you are right. Maybe most of people like it because of its brand or price. But be sure that i use replicated Aventus from Turkish essential oil manifacturers and they made it very good. But of course somethings are missed or didn't added because of costs. I bought only 5 ml decant from an original bottle for know how original like and match original with my replicated. If you are not a familiar to perfume World(it is not for you, for other anyone), you cannot understand which is original. But I know now that some ingredients didnt add because of cost at replicated.

I am not a Creed Mafia :D LOL :D I am a primary school teacher and Business Researcher(Phd) in Turkey and perfume World is only an interest for me. Of course i want to make same aventus with using my materials but i try :D

But of course there is a lot of agenct to marketing any brand or product. You are right but not for me.

I am only Creed Aventus's scent lover not brand.

And i am in fight all capitalist brand except shoes and some clothes :D

Happy perfume

Kürşat
 
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Franciscus, I'm very grateful for your contributions here as its nice to hear from someone with such a critical perspective as my intent with this thread was to cut through the BS that surrounds this house and specifically this release by zeroing in on who really made the scent as it certainly wasn't anyone named Creed as far as I can see.

These lies about captives are ridiculous for anyone (like me) who has seen a true and reliable GCMS (there is no physical space in the calculation results for any captive)! Of this ordinary perfume for people who do not distinguish Art from Trash! Aventus is very easy to reproduce. And you do not need captives to do it better, so... stop spreading ignorance.

Would you like to share that true and reliable GCMS with me as I'd be very interested in seeing what you believe is a true and reliable makeup of the scent. Also if Aventus is so easy to reproduce why is it that every single clone fails miserably at even replicating it, let alone bettering it in either its vintage or modern makeup? I've tried out quite a lot of wannabes and they are all lacking in a great many elements that define Aventus for me ranging from composition to performance to peoples reactions. The only thing I could ascribe this difference to is captives which force the clone makers to add in more of other aroma chemicals to approximate the effect which overall leaves less room for everything else which is why they don't smell the same at the end of the day along with the GCMS reverse engineering guesswork clouding the waters. Have you ever whipped up a clone? If so I'm interested to hear how it came out.

The formulas change from batch to batch because Creed entrusts production to different subcontractors. Here's the mystery, but trust me, it's always a race to put in the bottle, the most bitter stuff in the world. You only like it because it's expensive. And the formula as many experts know, is not at all original, because it is copied from a previous success (mainstream).

This subcontractor aspect is news to me but makes a lot of sense as it would explain quite a lot and fits in with the overall truth behind the image. What exactly is it copied from? As I said in my original post Ralph Laurens Purple Label fragrance smells like a prototype of Aventus to me but it was far from a mainstream success and I'm struggling to think of anything that smelled like Aventus before it was released so help me out here if you can.

I am convinced that even among us there are infiltrators who make the business interest of the Creed company (including SELLERS). There is a Creed Mafia, the same one that has spread the lies about the history of the brand (which in reality, was born in the 90s) paying space in the media over the last 18 years. Did any of you know Creed before the year 2000? :coolold: Very difficult...

The marketing and branding ethos behind the house of Creed is founded on and surrounded by lies, the best of which appears to be that Messers Creed are "master perfumers" when they are, in musical parlance, ghosts at best because its evident other people are doing the work and they are putting their names/fake history on there for people who like the nouveau riche associations to eat up via their low cost astroturfing of forums such as these in order to create hype without spending real money. All the while people question their tall tales of making perfumes for handily dead celebrities and sunken ships but no one thought to fact check if the noses were actually noses and that is quite a clever way of lying... Personally I would never pay the retail price for this scent as its ludicrously overpriced but at around £1 per ml via a split it beats out the competition in that price bracket with ease as I do like the way it smells.
 

tjarksd

Basenotes Member
Mar 20, 2014
What is the allure of Aventus to me? That's an easy answer. Compliments. Back when Aventus samples were cheaper I bought about 10 sample 2.5 ml vials off eBay and emptied them into an atomizer. I own a boatload of designers and clones and I've had more compliments off of those 25 mls than with the rest of my wardrobe (not that I have many "great" fragrances)... Instead of what is the allure of Aventus to us; I guess the better question might be... What is the allure of Aventus to the rest of the world? :smiley:
 
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Sober

Super Member
Sep 2, 2017
franciscus, aventus contains paradisone and a lot of other captives....
anyway I think that the current formulation is crap and overpriced, so i searced for some vintage stuff.... and I found just a fake bottle here in italy...
the vintage was a dynascone bomb and it was very good... so powerful and it contained also something fecal...
franciscus, if you have some infos about the gcms of the vintage stuff, why don t you share these infos with us?
 

Franciscus

New member
May 15, 2013
Please... Who the hell said that sh** of Aventus contains captives? Repeating a lie does not make it a reality. Who is the source of this lie!?
 

pkiler

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Basenotes Plus
Dec 5, 2007
Please... Who the hell said that sh** of Aventus contains captives? Repeating a lie does not make it a reality. Who is the source of this lie!?

Franciscus-
Since joining, your seven posts have been all vitriol, throwing shade at others and Creed, and angry.

You can calm down, and give constructive help instead of such negativity, please.
If you indeed have such depth of knowledge, share that, instead of everything as vitriol, please.
 

mkturker

Super Member
May 11, 2014
http://colognoisseur.com/tag/paradisone/

Please visit that and see please.

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See what is different from hedione and hedione hc at paradisone.Paradisone is a syntesis of hedione.Do you think that for example IFF,Firmeninch,Givaudan or other big firms sell all ingredients to all costumers?That is not secret that some quality materials reserve to some big firms and that materials don’t sell anyone other than that brand.For example,lacoste is a costly wearing firm,why?Because their fabric quality can not find everywhere.Because lacoste reserved that fabric.And we say it “Capitalism”
 

Franciscus

New member
May 15, 2013
So you trust a child-blogger without any authority to claim serious things like the presence of patented molecules in a composition.
This is not a cognitive but deceptive attitude. I am amused but also outraged by the falsehoods that have been rumored for years on Creed in this forum.
Stop talking about captives if you have no documentary evidence of what you say, you are doing serious misinformation.
Technically, the "sanctity" of Creed's compositions does not exist. We are dealing with a dramatically simple composition. That someone wants to paint as complex or precious, when it is neither one nor the other.
 
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mkturker

Super Member
May 11, 2014
So you trust a child-blogger without any authority to claim serious things like the presence of patented molecules in a composition.
This is not a cognitive but deceptive attitude. I am amused but also outraged by the falsehoods that have been rumored for years on Creed in this forum.
Stop talking about captives if you have no documentary evidence of what you say, you are doing serious misinformation.
Technically, the "sanctity" of Creed's compositions does not exist. We are dealing with a dramatically simple composition. That someone wants to paint as complex or precious, when it is neither one nor the other.

I talked a professional perfumer in a expo in Turkey and he said me that,making same that base note of aventus is easy but top note is very hard.If he said me so,i don’t trust other one,i trust him because he is doing wonderfull.And I know he made replica aventus and it is very close to original.But the problem is that has not strongly
 

pkiler

Basenotes Plus
Basenotes Plus
Dec 5, 2007
So you trust a child-blogger

Pardon me, but with only eight vitriolic posts, and we do not know who you are, your own credibility is nil.

outraged by the falsehoods that have been rumored for years on Creed in this forum.

This forum is not the Fanboy Creed forum, it is quite critical. Do not accuse this forum of spreading falsehoods, please.

you are doing serious misinformation.
Technically, the "sanctity" of Creed's compositions does not exist.

Technically, you have offered zero proof that your information is not misinformation.

So until you would like to surrender more than vitriolic opinion, . . . . . .
 

Franciscus

New member
May 15, 2013
Here in France the "Creed" question was solved many years ago with a simple laugh.
It is you who need my first-hand information, not me of your confusion.
I will not let myself be touched by your insolence, Mr. Californian, you that post "pop corn" as a sign of serious conversation and now accuse me of non-existent issues.
I call you to the respect that until now you have not given to me and to this debate.
By the way, I assume you own the Aventus GCMS. You should know that what I say is true...
 

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