Pentalide as the alternative to ambroxan ?

[Gideon.heyde]

Hey guys...so glad to be here and having this forum...

As perfumery material is kinda hard to find here, I want to ask whether pentalide has the same function as ambroxan in terms of silage and fixative...

Im living in SEA where we actually have all of those 3 biggest perfume houses and yet it's so hard to find their product here as mostly being exported. Even the ambroxan is expensive like 15 USD per 5 grams...so I'm trying to revert to pentalide..hopefully, it has a similar function as ambroxan..

Any suggestion of a more common material that can give a good silage ? I cant do a blind purchase as my budget is kinda tight...thanks a bunch guys...

 

[RomanB]

Have you considered Iso E Super and its analogues?

 

[Gideon.heyde]

Have you considered Iso E Super and its analogues?

Thanks roman for the help...I forgot to mention iso e... I tried iso e but the scent is not holding up that long...it left me with the iso aroma after a while...if ambroxan is not that different than iso e then I might just use iso e and try to age them together for awhile...do you think ambroxan and iso are kinda similar in term of silage?

 

[Casper_grassy]

Pentalide, Ambroxan and Iso E Super are all different. Ambroxan is the most diffusive and Iso E Super doesn’t have fixative properties because it doesn’t last as long as the other two mentioned.

Pentalide has great tenacity but IFRA ruined the usage of it, it’s one of my favorite musks. You may also find exaltolide which is practically the same thing for cheaper.

BTW, all varieties of Ambroxan are expensive.

 

[RomanB]

Thanks roman for the help...I forgot to mention iso e... I tried iso e but the scent is not holding up that long...it left me with the iso aroma after a while...if ambroxan is not that different than iso e then I might just use iso e and try to age them together for awhile...do you think ambroxan and iso are kinda similar in term of silage?

Ambroxan is a synthetic ambergris. Very few other substances smell close to it, the most prominent one is Grisalva, which is more expensive. Ambroxan costs anout 800$ in bulk, so if you want it, try contacting a Chinese supplier who will sell you 100 grams for a good price. Ask Fuzhou Farwell for example, they are reliable.

There are other amber-type ingredients like Ambrocenide, AmberXtreme, Z-11 that may be of interest to you. Read about them.

 

[mnitabach]

Pentalide & ambroxan aren't even remotely similar.

 

[Alex F.]

Im living in SEA where we actually have all of those 3 biggest perfume houses and yet it's so hard to find their product here as mostly being exported. Even the ambroxan is expensive like 15 USD per 5 grams...so I'm trying to revert to pentalide..hopefully, it has a similar function as ambroxan..

If you've only looked at Kao's Ambroxan, I'd recommend looking at Ambrox DL, Ambrox Super and Cetalox (Firmenich), too. I got them for about half the price of Ambroxan and I'm very happy with them. Grisalva (IFF) is cost a bit more, but was still cheaper than Ambroxan.
(Of course, there's labdanum, too, but the ambergris smell is packed in among dense, balsamic odours there...)