Musk Ambrette and Musk Ketone Dilution for Use in Attars and Pure Perfumes

HabibiGotIt

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Basenotes Plus
Apr 9, 2020
Hi all:

I finally pulled the trigger on the two old-school nitromusks I've heard so much about, which apparently were indispensable in early modern perfumery. I purchased both musk ambrette and musk ketone from Perfumer's Supply House in powder form.

My question is: how do I dilute these materials so that I can blend them with other oils/absolutes in my attars or pure perfume bases. Do they need to be diluted in alcohol? DPG? Benzyl Benzoate? Any of the above? Will they dilute in, say, sandalwood oil? Any advice would be appreciated.

Regards,

Habibi
 

Jolieo

Basenotes Dependent
Feb 18, 2018
I keep have trouble with tgsc - so I can’t look up solubility there, but another showed musk ketone soluble in ethanol , paraffin and phthalates(?)- which doesn’t seem helpful- especially since they didn‘t say the percentage .
musk ambrette I found this : Virtually insoluble in water; soluble in 95% ethanol (33 g/100 g), methyl carbitol (16.4 g/100 g), benzyl benzoate (50.0 g/100 g), diethyl phthalate (36.7 g/100 g) and diethyl ether (Lide, 1993; Research Institute for Fragrance Materials, 1994a; Penta Manufacturing Co., 1995a)
from here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK424348/
I don’t know what’s acceptable for your attars and concentrates
 

pkiler

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Basenotes Plus
Dec 5, 2007
Without using Benzyl Benzoate, which will weigh down your compositions, it seems that DEP might be the best option outside of alcohol.
 

Saraiva

Basenotes Member
May 26, 2018
Olá a todos:

Eu finalmente puxei o gatilho para os dois nitromusks da velha escola de que tanto ouvi falar, que aparentemente eram indispensáveis na perfumaria moderna. Eu comprei ambreta de almíscar e cetona de almíscar da Perfumer's Supply House em forma de pó.

Minha pergunta é: como faço para diluir esses materiais para que eu possa misturá-los com outros óleos / absolutos em meus attars ou bases puras de perfume. Eles precisam ser diluídos em álcool? DPG? Benzoato de benzila? Qualquer uma das anteriores? Eles vão se diluir em, digamos, óleo de sândalo? Qualquer conselho seria apreciado.

Cumprimentos,

Habibi
Good Morning
I have had the 3 nitro musks for many years (Ambette, Xylene, Ketone), I only use Ethyl Diphthalate to dilute these products, I do it 10% and it results, in alcohol they crystallize, in DPG and IPM that I have never experienced this.
Hope this helps.
 
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Saraiva

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May 26, 2018
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HabibiGotIt

Hi all:

I finally pulled the trigger on the two old-school nitromusks I've heard so much about, which apparently were indispensable in early modern perfumery. I purchased both musk ambrette and musk ketone from Perfumer's Supply House in powder form.

My question is: how do I dilute these materials so that I can blend them with other oils/absolutes in my attars or pure perfume bases. Do they need to be diluted in alcohol? DPG? Benzyl Benzoate? Any of the above? Will they dilute in, say, sandalwood oil? Any advice would be appreciated.

Regards,

Habibi
Hello

HabibiGotIt

Good Morning
I have had the 3 nitro musks for many years (Ambette, Xylene, Ketone), I only use Ethyl Diphthalate to dilute these products, I do it 10% and it results, in alcohol they crystallize, in DPG and IPM that I have never experienced this.
Hope this helps.
 
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HabibiGotIt


Hello

HabibiGotIt

Good Morning
I have had the 3 nitro musks for many years (Ambette, Xylene, Ketone), I only use Ethyl Diphthalate to dilute these products, I do it 10% and it results, in alcohol they crystallize, in DPG and IPM that I have never experienced this.
Hope this helps.
Hi,
What did mean by Ethyl Diphthalate? There is no Solvent under this name, did you mean Diethyl phthalate?
 
Oct 13, 2019
I keep have trouble with tgsc - so I can’t look up solubility there, but another showed musk ketone soluble in ethanol , paraffin and phthalates(?)- which doesn’t seem helpful- especially since they didn‘t say the percentage .
musk ambrette I found this : Virtually insoluble in water; soluble in 95% ethanol (33 g/100 g), methyl carbitol (16.4 g/100 g), benzyl benzoate (50.0 g/100 g), diethyl phthalate (36.7 g/100 g) and diethyl ether (Lide, 1993; Research Institute for Fragrance Materials, 1994a; Penta Manufacturing Co., 1995a)
from here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK424348/
I don’t know what’s acceptable for your attars and concentrates
10% in Benzyl Benzoate.
 
Oct 13, 2019
Hi all:

I finally pulled the trigger on the two old-school nitromusks I've heard so much about, which apparently were indispensable in early modern perfumery. I purchased both musk ambrette and musk ketone from Perfumer's Supply House in powder form.

My question is: how do I dilute these materials so that I can blend them with other oils/absolutes in my attars or pure perfume bases. Do they need to be diluted in alcohol? DPG? Benzyl Benzoate? Any of the above? Will they dilute in, say, sandalwood oil? Any advice would be appreciated.

Regards,

Habibi
10% in Benzyl Benzoate.
 

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