Making perfumes using fragrance oils

[apasserby00]

Greetings to all fellow perfumery enthusiasts.

I hope everyone is having a great day. I am writing this forum post to seek some guidance and validation on making designer-inspired perfumes at home. While I am not a professional perfumer, I have been doing some research and have found some high-quality fragrance oils of the perfumes I wish to create, such as Bleu de Chanel and Aventus. I have also discovered the approximate amounts of chemicals required to make these perfumes, namely perfumer's alcohol (~70%), DPG (1-8%), demineralized water (2%), fragrance oil (15-20%), and Vitamin E (0.2%).

I understand that the quality of the final product and its longevity depend on the quality of the ingredients used, and I am confident that the fragrance oils I have acquired are top-notch. However, I am seeking advice from the experienced members of this forum on what other ingredients or methods I could incorporate to create a long-lasting and high-quality scent, just like the original.

After mixing all the ingredients with a magnetic stirrer, I plan to store the mixture in an amber bottle in the fridge for 20 days. I am hoping that this will allow the fragrance to settle and mature, resulting in a better final product. Some people have advised to avoid shaking the bottle during this 20 days to "prevent the fragrance molecules from dispersing" while others have said to actually shake it every couple days... This has confused me and I'd appreciate any advice you have.

I would be grateful if the experts on this forum could provide some insights and advice on my approach. Are there any additional ingredients that I should consider using? Are the quantities of the chemicals I have mentioned appropriate, or should I make some adjustments? Furthermore, can I use this formulation across the various fragrance oils I've purchased?

I appreciate any guidance and feedback that you can offer, and I look forward to hearing your suggestions. Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

 

[pkiler]

Most of us here consider clone oils as theft, and don't support or offer informational encouragement to thieves.

 

[ourmess]

"Fragrance oils" are not viable for perfumery.

Cheap ripoff clones inevitably turn out to be...cheap ripoffs.

 

[apasserby00]

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my forum post. I understand and respect your view on clone oils, and I appreciate your honest feedback.

However, I would like to clarify that my intention is not to support or encourage theft of any kind. As a DIY enthusiast, I have limited resources, and the price points of original perfumes are often beyond my reach. Making a designer-inspired perfume using high-quality fragrance oils is my attempt to create a scent that is similar to the original without infringing on any intellectual property rights.

I hope you can understand my perspective and that we can continue to have a constructive conversation on this topic. I am open to any suggestions or advice that you might have to offer.

 

[darkwitch]

Your claim that "high-quality fragrance oils" exist may be disputed by quite a few people here.

You need your fragrance oil and ethanol. That is all.

The concentrate may already contain DPG or it may not. Even so, it is not a required part of a fragrance. Water may be a part of your chosen ethanol already. Any additional water can make sense on a case by case basis (you have to test) and typically for lower concentrations, not the one you have chosen. Antioxidants, UV protection and other additives may or may not already be in the concentrate. They are certainly not something you must add for a DIY non-commercial fragrance.

 

[c1981]

Your claim that "high-quality fragrance oils" exist may be disputed by quite a few people here.

They do, in fact, exist. I have purchased some. And I've made some.

I think the fairer statement would be "fragrance oils aren't ideal for the craft of fine perfumery." If your goal is to make hand cream, or soap, or candles, then high quality fragrance oils can be found, and used—guilt-free, and snobbery-free. Shocking, I know!

 

[darkwitch]

It didn't sound like the intention was to create Bleu de Chanel and Aventus scented hand cream, soap and candles.

 

[c1981]

It didn't sound like the intention was to create Bleu de Chanel and Aventus scented hand cream, soap and candles.

OP's intent is irrelevant to my point. I just wanted to offer my opinion, as a person here, that high quality fragrance oils exist.

 

[darkwitch]

The intent is everything, and it is to save money.

Will it work? Probably not. It depends on how good it smells to the person set on making their own clone instead of simply buying a ready made clone, or even decants of the product they actually want to own.

 

[Casper_grassy]

Why not just buy perfumes from Dua, Alexandria, Armaf etc?

 

[apasserby00]

Why not just buy perfumes from Dua, Alexandria, Armaf etc?

I haven't tried these places but the ones I've purchased from an alternative store hasn't lasted very long for me.

 

[apasserby00]

Thank you for your comments everyone.

I've blended the fragrance oils, ethanol, and dpg together and they're smelling great!

I'll let them mature for some time.

Are there any other chemicals you guys recommend to enhance the final product? Something to increase sillage maybe...

I will let you guys know how good these turn out after 2 weeks. It's exciting!

 

[pkiler]

Thank you for your comments everyone.

I've blended the fragrance oils, ethanol, and dpg together and they're smelling great!

I'll let them mature for some time.

Are there any other chemicals you guys recommend to enhance the final product? Something to increase sillage maybe...

I will let you guys know how good these turn out after 2 weeks. It's exciting!

Nothing is exciting buying products stolen from real the Perfumers.

 

[orestes13]

I doubt that there is much else that you can do, as these oils are already clones of the original perfumes. I'm not going to discuss how ethical this is. Is it ethical for a company like Parfums de Marly to completely ruin a whole lineup of fragrances (without even making an announcement) and trick customers into spending $250 for a watered-down version of their favorite fragrance? I think not. I'd rather buy the clones of this house for $20 and end up having a perfume that's pretty much a 1:1 copy of the original.

 

[mnitabach]

I haven't tried these places but the ones I've purchased from an alternative store hasn't lasted very long for me.

If you buy "fragrance oils" purporting to represent these same commercial perfumes, you aren't going to get any better results than this. And no, there is nothing you can "add" to the fragrance oils diluted in ethanol that will make them perform better, while retaining their scent characteristics they were designed to exhibit.

 

[ourmess]

Are there any other chemicals you guys recommend to enhance the final product? Something to increase sillage maybe...

That's not how it works.

The properties of a fragrance come from its formulation. If you want increased sillage, then you need to go back and reformulate the scent. But since you didn't formulate it to begin with and you just bought a finished product, it is what it is. You can not change it.

You are buying junk products; they will always be junk no matter what you do with them.

 

[RomanB]

Nothing is exciting buying products stolen from real the Perfumers.

Perfumers of large companies work for a salary. There is no way to steal from them since they don’t own anything. Even a perfumer’s name behind a perfume in many cases does not correspond to the real person who made it. We will never know who are technicians of IFF or Givaudan who compose formulas which are then approved by a master perfumer.

I think it is fine to clone perfumes that are completely discontinued. If you will make Coty’s Chypre, no one will loose since his descendants have absolutely no rights or profits from his creations.

 

[mnitabach]

Perfumers of large companies work for a salary. There is no way to steal from them since they don’t own anything. Even a perfumer’s name behind a perfume in many cases does not correspond to the real person who made it. We will never know who are technicians of IFF or Givaudan who compose formulas which are then approved by a master perfumer.

I think it is fine to clone perfumes that are completely discontinued. If you will make Coty’s Chypre, no one will loose since his descendants have absolutely no rights or profits from his creations.

I'm not speaking to the merits one way or the other, but most people here draw a big distinction between reconstructing commercial formulas for interest & learning purposes versus for the purpose of selling cheap shit "clone fragrance oils".

 

[RomanB]

I'm not speaking to the merits one way or the other, but most people here draw a big distinction between reconstructing commercial formulas for interest & learning purposes versus for the purpose of selling cheap shit "clone fragrance oils".

I recreated and sell a lovely historical perfume from 1950-s, discontinued about 50 years ago. It seems that I was the last person who owns its formula. It isn't an exact copy of the original (natural ambergris became ambroxide+grisalva, and jasmine base is now more sophisticated and fine), but pretty close. This perfume is a part of our culture, I don't see why is it immoral to re-create it. However, I won't make any copy of a perfume that is currently manufactured and is available for purchase.

 

[mnitabach]

I recreated and sell a lovely historical perfume from 1950-s, discontinued about 50 years ago. It seems that I was the last person who owns its formula. It isn't an exact copy of the original (natural ambergris became ambroxide+grisalva, and jasmine base is now more sophisticated and fine), but pretty close. This perfume is a part of our culture, I don't see why is it immoral to re-create it. However, I won't make any copy of a perfume that is currently manufactured and is available for purchase.

We each are led by our own moral compass. Many respected perfumers on here, including professionals who sell their own compositions, do not consider it unethical to compose & publish formulas intended as reconstructions of currently available commercial perfumes. They also, however, are not selling clone perfume assembled from those who formulas. Reverse engineering perfumes, whether by cutting-edge GCMS techniques or otherwise, is a long-standing approach in perfumery, and by many famous perfumers is not considered unethical.

 

[RomanB]

We each are led by our own moral compass. Many respected perfumers on here, including professionals who sell their own compositions, do not consider it unethical to compose & publish formulas intended as reconstructions of currently available commercial perfumes. They also, however, are not selling clone perfume assembled from those who formulas. Reverse engineering perfumes, whether by cutting-edge GCMS techniques or otherwise, is a long-standing approach in perfumery, and by many famous perfumers is not considered unethical.

In other words my position is: if no one is currently profiting from a perfume of interest, it isn’t unethical to re-create it. I don’t think that perfumery is art proper, but it is still a cultural phenomenon that exists only because people make mixes and other people wear them.

 

[Bugman]

Greetings to all fellow perfumery enthusiasts.

I hope everyone is having a great day. I am writing this forum post to seek some guidance and validation on making designer-inspired perfumes at home. While I am not a professional perfumer, I have been doing some research and have found some high-quality fragrance oils of the perfumes I wish to create, such as Bleu de Chanel and Aventus. I have also discovered the approximate amounts of chemicals required to make these perfumes, namely perfumer's alcohol (~70%), DPG (1-8%), demineralized water (2%), fragrance oil (15-20%), and Vitamin E (0.2%).

I understand that the quality of the final product and its longevity depend on the quality of the ingredients used, and I am confident that the fragrance oils I have acquired are top-notch. However, I am seeking advice from the experienced members of this forum on what other ingredients or methods I could incorporate to create a long-lasting and high-quality scent, just like the original.

After mixing all the ingredients with a magnetic stirrer, I plan to store the mixture in an amber bottle in the fridge for 20 days. I am hoping that this will allow the fragrance to settle and mature, resulting in a better final product. Some people have advised to avoid shaking the bottle during this 20 days to "prevent the fragrance molecules from dispersing" while others have said to actually shake it every couple days... This has confused me and I'd appreciate any advice you have.

I would be grateful if the experts on this forum could provide some insights and advice on my approach. Are there any additional ingredients that I should consider using? Are the quantities of the chemicals I have mentioned appropriate, or should I make some adjustments? Furthermore, can I use this formulation across the various fragrance oils I've purchased?

I appreciate any guidance and feedback that you can offer, and I look forward to hearing your suggestions. Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

You could just head over to Creating Perfumes and buy their clones. Somehow, its unethical for you to do so, and called a thief, but the community supports them over there.

 

[pkiler]

You could just head over to Creating Perfumes and buy their clones. Somehow, its unethical for you to do so, and called a thief, but the community supports them over there.

no longer.

 

[Bugman]

no longer.

Good. I cannot stand hypocrites. I may seem like a Troll, but I am not. Seems like with the current trend of GCMS, it may get a little complicated to hold people to ethics. Something that decreases everyday. Just not sure being the gatekeeper to the forums, garners any respect.