Fragrantica's Sauvage page turning really ugly !

[Bigsly]

This surprises me, considering how BdC has fairly good reviews, with not many negative ones. It seems like one of two possibilities: either the Fragrantica reviewers (as a group) are getting more sophisticated or it's a really bad or super-generic scent. For those who have tried it, what is your opinion of Sauvage in this context?

 

[hednic]

I personally don't pay attention to reviews on that site. My bottle of Sauvage arrives next week, but have already tried it and I find that it performs well and smells nice.

 

[JiveHippo]

I personally don't pay attention to reviews on that site. My bottle of Sauvage arrives next week, but have already tried it and I find that it performs well and smells nice.

I wouldn't expect otherwise.

 

[goodenstuff]

I haven't sniffed it yet but I suspect it's mostly backlash from people who expect Dior to release a world-beater instead of just a nice new release

 

[Bigsly]

I haven't sniffed it yet but I suspect it's mostly backlash from people who expect Dior to release a world-beater instead of just a nice new release

Well, as I've said before, I can sometimes get "nice" in a $4 bottle of a Playboy scent, so I wonder if others are getting wise to this as well !

 

[AnthonyG]

No point in trying to gauge the/a consensus there until it has had time to even out. Some of the individual reviews are OK, but the sliding metres are all over the place and no way the proportion of 'dislikes' stays that high.

Having said that, I haven't smelled it yet.

 

[silentrich]

I haven't smelled it yet, but I suspect neither has many of the people who posted reviews about it on fragrantica.


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[adam090273]

I haven't smelled it yet, but I suspect neither has many of the people who posted reviews about it on fragrantica.


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I suspect this also to be the case. Either way I'll be deciding myself after a good testing.

 

[yarn]

My thoughts from one of the other threads:

Wearing it now - to keep it brief:

On card, this smells like Platinum Egoiste
On skin - cheap, chemical modern opening
Gets better
There is a Pluriel thing going on
It's sort of ok but I can't get really excited about it
Super safe scent but feels like a lot of modern stuff

 

[asspirin]

Some people feel super important and sophisticated when writing bad reviews. I don't give a damn about fragrantica reviews any more. Uber-synthetic cheapos like Versace pour homme get amazing ratings there, while a well done scent like Sauvage get curb-stomped for not being a second Fahrenheit. Seriously, wtf? It's like giving a Godzilla movie a bad review for neglecting the love story.

 

[Russlan]

Some people feel super important and sophisticated when writing bad reviews. I don't give a damn about fragrantica reviews any more. Uber-synthetic cheapos like Versace pour homme get amazing ratings there, while a well done scent like Sauvage get curb-stomped for not being a second Fahrenheit. Seriously, wtf? It's like giving a Godzilla movie a bad review for neglecting the love story.

Absolutely

 

[Vinrambo09]

I would not say its bad, but I found it quite boring. Not worth a 100 dollars.

 

[skism]

i have not tried this yet but versace pour homme is good and the godzilla movie was bad lol..

 

[ToughCool]

Some people feel super important and sophisticated when writing bad reviews. I don't give a damn about fragrantica reviews any more. Uber-synthetic cheapos like Versace pour homme get amazing ratings there, while a well done scent like Sauvage get curb-stomped for not being a second Fahrenheit. Seriously, wtf? It's like giving a Godzilla movie a bad review for neglecting the love story.

Not getting petty here but aren't you kind of doing the same thing talking about VPH. Many here, myself included, really enjoy it and find it underrated. Get your point but your throw away sounds "super important."

I look forward to trying this and will go on my own feelings too. I don't frequent that place much

 

[asspirin]

i have not tried this yet but versace pour homme is good and the godzilla movie was bad lol..

I think you've gotten my point

 

[gimpy]

I'm looking forward to trying it, but judging something on the basis of Fragrantica's reviews is probably not fair. The hit rate there is much lower. If you hid the fragrance name on a random fragrantica review, you'd have no idea if the posters are describing a citrus scent or an oriental.

 

[sjg3839]

Will try to sample sometime next week.

 

[La Flâneuse]

It's definitely getting lively in there
Hows the Bergamot in it? I'm hankering after a bergamot fragrance, and it seems to be a note mostly used in mens frags?

 

[tefg]

Tried it and liked it. That's all that bothers me. I honestly don't care if it smells synthetic, my nose isn't sophisticated enough to be able to spot that anyway.

 

[Jowan]

I'm picking mine up in a few hours. I don't have the best nose to dissect notes, but I will give my honest opinion on how I think it smells.

 

[Jowan]

I've seen reviews and negative comments on fragrances that Fragranaticers haven't even smelled. It's the sliding tool bar, and their opinions based on particular notes. I'm pretty darn picky so I will definitely give my verdict here in a few hours. She gets to eat at Grand Lux, and I get my new cologne! Yes!!

 

[gm92]

I've seen reviews and negative comments on fragrances that Fragranaticers haven't even smelled. It's the sliding tool bar, and their opinions based on particular notes. I'm pretty darn picky so I will definitely give my verdict here in a few hours. She gets to eat at Grand Lux, and I get my new cologne! Yes!!

same here
http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/Amouage/Sunshine-Men-31619.html

 

[rulopbo]

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[DrJeff]

Yarn had the same impression I got. Plat egoiste on one arm, Savauge on the other. PE had higher notes, crisp citrusy, clean.
Sauvage did not stand out from the pack so to speak. It's not a bad frag by any means, I just could not think of a reason to purchase it among many others.

I do think Dior has a marketing issue at the designer level. It's very easy to mix up the classic ES and the new Sauvage for the "un-learned." Mamma buys some smell-good for the boys at Christmas and she likely will not know the distinction between these. Same for the variations of Homme.

FWIW, I am a Dior fan: Homme, Farenheit (since the 90's), Eau Savage....considering Privee line as well.

 

[SportsFan]

I dont´care about reviews anymore, either basenotes or the other ones... I only care about how it smells, what my friends think about how it smells, and what the women I know think about how it smells... No review can give me feedback on that data...

The only thing if check out from the other website, is average opinion on performance (longe and silla) thats all...

Bingo!

As for the earlier comment about "Bleu de Chanel getting positive reviews"....it didn't when it was first released! I remember the dislike bar at Fragrantica being much higher than the like and love for it over there as well. After a period of time, the perception changed to a positive one (primarily once people realized that it wasn't "another aquatic")

Basically, there is very much a "SHEEP" mentality in online forums, especially the fragrance community, for some reason. Once the consensus starts to build towards a certain direction (negative or positive), people start to pile on...and nobody wants to be the "outcast" that goes against the grain. They don't want to lose credibility and embarrass themself by having an opinion that doesn't walk lock, stock and barrel with the rest.

 

[Lomaniac]

There's the 'generic' complaint that I would liken to someone complaining about how pop music is 'generic' in appeal and pretty recognizable composition, which somewhat applies to BdC. But this, I would say it's more generic in a Madonna to Pink to Lady Gaga sort of fashion where it completely apes other perfumes in specific ways of style and presentation instead of complaining that Taylor Swift and Justin Beiber are both blonde. Not a full blown clone, but so fully indicative of a rather narrow field of common notes and overall progression. There's nothing to get from this that you can't get from hundreds of other perfumes. Sure, there's plenty of other houses that share notes and themes with multiple bottles, but it doesn't seem as egregious as with the tropical fruity vibe I get from whatever mid/base they've used in this, and a thousand other masculines from the last few years. It's like Demachy is a DJ sampling everything for a mixtape of the top 40.

 

[michalc]

Wow, that's almost a similar love/like/dislike ratio to Secretions Magnifique, which is supposed to be disgusting.
All I'll say is I'm gonna try when I can get an opportunity to and to be fair, Fragrantica is a huge load of crap (sorry not sorry), just look at how stupidly varied the longevity and sillage ratings are. That's not just different skin types, it's purely become an unreliable source of information now due to people either carelessly giving the wrong rating or accidentally sliding it. Either way I still like to use fragrantica but I son't trust it much at all.

 

[silentrich]

Doesn't Dior Homme Eau get compared to BdC, Fierce, MB Legend, and PE? Hmmmm...no mention of any similarities with DHE, but a lot of comparisons to these 4.


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[Jowan]

Oddly enough, it doesn't smell too similar to anything I wear. Slightly reminiscent of original Cerruti Image in the first 5 mins. I wasn't blown away for the first couple of minutes nor after 30. Driving home about 45 mins after application to the wrist it smells pretty damn sexy and my girlfriend has just told me what my plans are when we get home. I can see cutting my hair and fresh out of the shower wearing this with about 45 mins to spare before I get to my destination. Very clean, slight spice. Drydown also has a nuit d'Issey vibe. Work friendly fragrance. I can't say it's borring. Pretty new scent to add to the arsenal. I'm digging it the more it sits. And so is she and that's kinda all that matters.. Have a good one!

 

[AntonPan]

Bleu had the same situation 5 years ago - a lot of dislikes, more than likes and loves together. 2 months later people became to love it. The plot of Sauvage will be the same.

 

[jhericurls]

Bleu had the same situation 5 years ago - a lot of dislikes, more than likes and loves together. 2 months later people became to love it. The plot of Sauvage will be the same.

I don't feel the same, no other fragrance smelt like BDC when that was released. But Sauvage is just a mixture of Fierce with a bit more spice in the drydown. But only time will tell.

 

[Deleted member 13385235]

Bleu had the same situation 5 years ago - a lot of dislikes, more than likes and loves together. 2 months later people became to love it. The plot of Sauvage will be the same.

Not a chance. I liked Bleu from then till now and am always willing to give any fragrance a fair shake but this stuff is a complete mess. It's almost as if they've took accords of big popular frags and tried to blend them into one which leads to a disaster with no direction.

Performance isn't strong enough for the clubbing crowd when compared to the heavy hitters, composition is very cheap smelling and derivative and mostly (for me at least) there is an aroma chemical in there that I've smelt in Invictus before that I just can't stand. There just is anything in this to please either crowd even though it seems thats what Dior intended to do and as such ended up satisfying neither.

 

[w1x]

Some people feel super important and sophisticated when writing bad reviews. I don't give a damn about fragrantica reviews any more. Uber-synthetic cheapos like Versace pour homme get amazing ratings there, while a well done scent like Sauvage get curb-stomped for not being a second Fahrenheit. Seriously, wtf? It's like giving a Godzilla movie a bad review for neglecting the love story.

im sorry but VPH is amazing, underrated, a CRAZY insane compliment getter and one of the best fresh frags ever made IMO...

 

[rulopbo]

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[Bigsly]

...It's almost as if they've took accords of big popular frags and tried to blend them into one which leads to a disaster with no direction....

That does appear to be the trend these days, doesn't it? Interestingly, companies like Lomani seem to be going after the niche crowd, though perhaps not in an especially original way. As to the BdC bashing in the early days of that scent, I don't remember that being the case at Fragrantica, which is why the negative comments there surprised me. I'm not a "fresh" scent person, so it's possible that Sauvage features something special in it's fresh approach, which might lead the fresh people to buy it at $80 or more, but my guess is that the fresh guys already have a few (if not many) fresh scents they already enjoy. Now if I turn to Playboy's London for Men, I get a brandy note - one that I enjoy and that I don't have in any other scents that I like, so for $4/100 ml, I'm willing to buy non-vintage/non-niche there. What does Sauvage offer a person like myself? I already have quite a few "fresh" scents that I basically never wear!

 

[SportsFan]

There's the 'generic' complaint that I would liken to someone complaining about how pop music is 'generic' in appeal and pretty recognizable composition, which somewhat applies to BdC. But this, I would say it's more generic in a Madonna to Pink to Lady Gaga sort of fashion where it completely apes other perfumes in specific ways of style and presentation instead of complaining that Taylor Swift and Justin Beiber are both blonde. Not a full blown clone, but so fully indicative of a rather narrow field of common notes and overall progression. There's nothing to get from this that you can't get from hundreds of other perfumes. Sure, there's plenty of other houses that share notes and themes with multiple bottles, but it doesn't seem as egregious as with the tropical fruity vibe I get from whatever mid/base they've used in this, and a thousand other masculines from the last few years. It's like Demachy is a DJ sampling everything for a mixtape of the top 40.

If that is the complaint, then I can see and understand the frustration....because, although I do enjoy the scent, I pretty much agree that it smells very familiar, and like a bit of a hybrid/Frankenstein of several other popular men's scents over the past decade or so.

However, some of the negative feedback are from the wanna be comedians, who simply see an opportunity to bust out some one liners. And those folks really need to stick to their day job.

Personally, I don't think that every meal needs to be something completely and totally different. It doesn't have to be something that I've never had before. I'm perfectly fine with walking in to a restaurant and ordering a cheeseburger - something I've had over 1,000 times in my life - and appreciating and enjoying it if it is cooked really, really well with quality meat, bun and condiments. Now whether or not this is a "really good" or "just another" one, I'm currently in the middle of sampling a few sample vials in order to make up my mind.

As to the BdC bashing in the early days of that scent, I don't remember that being the case at Fragrantica, which is why the negative comments there surprised me.

Oh, I do. Big time. I remember because I had bought a bottle and really liked it and was surprised by all the negative comments and feedback...and the fact that the "dislike" bar graph was longer than the likes and loves, almost put together.

Go back and read many of the first/earliest reviews. There, you'll see people saying that "you may well disappoint" and that you "certainly will not wow or woo" anyone. People saying that "CoCo Chanel would be rolling over in her grave"....saying "what a letdown", and that it is "not Chanel quality".....and that it's a "synthetic mess"...and is "comparabale to an AXE body spray", etc., etc. And those were all from different people! The negative feedback and comments are all over the place. Someone said about it (in quotes) "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em", and other (MEN) were complaining that it basically was "too masculine", because there wasn't any floral or feminine aspects to it. It wasn't until a few women started showing up saying how good it smelled and how they'd love to smell this on a well groomed man that people kind of started to change their tune a little bit.

I'm not a "fresh" scent person, so it's possible that Sauvage features something special in it's fresh approach, which might lead the fresh people to buy it at $80 or more, but my guess is that the fresh guys already have a few (if not many) fresh scents they already enjoy.

There's really nothing all that groundbreaking here. As Lomaniac alluded to and you quoted from his post, this seems very much like a musical group releasing a "Greatest Hits" compilation for their newest album/release.

Quite simply, I don't think Dior is trying to reach the "fume heads" or "frag enthusiasts" with this release. I'm quite certain they are going for the "one bottle" guy, the "don't typically wear fragrances" guy, the "my girlfriend/wife wants me to have a nice scent", and/or the "I could use something subtle and appropriate for work" guy.

What does Sauvage offer a person like myself? I already have quite a few "fresh" scents that I basically never wear!

And that's reason enough for you to pass, and I can respect that.

 

[Bigsly]

I would certainly agree that there are more than a few guys (and gals) out there saying things like, "I just bought that new Sauvage fragrance and it's absolutely delicious!" Is it the same crowd who buy a new [insert brand name here] car without paying attention to any reviews, etc? As others have said, this may be Dior's "answer" to BdC, but since BdC is being fairly well-received at this point, at least at Fragrantica (and plenty of BNers like it), I thought that would tend to keep the Sauvage negatives down to a minimum. And I do remember some negative reviews of BdC at Fragrantica, but nothing like what I'm seeing there with Sauvage!

 

[SmellyFinger]

I don't think Dior is trying to reach the "fume heads" or "frag enthusiasts" with this release. I'm quite certain they are going for the "one bottle" guy.

How dare they!!!

You mean they are NOT marketing this to the guy with 200 bottles, who likes room clearing Cologne Guy sillage, with a heavy dose of Oud, Frankincense, and a big fat powdery Rose? And a people pleasing baby diaper fecal note?

Those bastards!!! An Outrage!!!

 

[Bigsly]

How dare they!!!

You mean they are NOT marketing this to the guy with 200 bottles, who likes room clearing Cologne Guy sillage, with a heavy dose of Oud, Frankincense, and a big fat powdery Rose? And a people pleasing baby diaper fecal note?

Those bastards!!! An Outrage!!!

Well, assuming this is accurate, does that mean that Fragrantica is becoming more like BN, with the "diaper note people" displacing the freshie-fresh ones?

 

[DerangedGoose]

If this had been a standard release from a less storied house at a lower price point, people would easily dismiss it for what it is and name-drop it in the "need cheap, easy suggestion for work-safe scent" threads.

Instead people are straining to convince themselves that a $100 bottle of office cologne is "not that bad", full bottle worthy, and is somehow a prescient release from Dior, who now apparently can do no wrong.