Firmenich Aldehydal 861 SA

[mnitabach]

Anyone have a clue as to how this Firmenich "Aldehydal" base could be substituted? It seems not to even exist other than in this formula, but I assume it is a very diluted mix of aliphatic aldehydes in a diluent + stabilizer?

 

[pkiler]

You mean this one?

It's a sophisticated base, I think I've seen a formula in my endowment, but I don't readily find it right now. I suppose you could send out a sample for gcms tests, too, if you've a mind to.

I've had this sample for ten years or more, and it was probably aged when I got it from a surplus dealer then.

 

[mnitabach]

You mean this one?

It's a sophisticated base, I think I've seen a formula in my endowment, but I don't readily find it right now. I suppose you could send out a sample for gcms tests, too, if you've a mind to.

I've had this sample for ten years or more, and it was probably aged when I got it from a surplus dealer then.

Since it's aldehydes, you figure it's probably no good anymore? 😹 😹 😹

 

[msaintdizier]

Aldehydine 10
Application: specialty bases
Cosmetic, Fragrances and Flavors, Louis Appel, 1982, Novox, Inc. pg. 326
For Fragrance Use
20.00	phenyl acetaldehyde 50%
40.00	benzyl acetate
10.00	geranium oil bourbon
10.00	ylang ylang oil
55.00	aldehyde C-11 undecylenic 10%
25.00	aldehyde C-12 mna
100.00	phenethyl alcohol
150.00	geraniol
150.00	citronellol
10.00	labdanum resinoid
50.00	cyclamen aldehyde
60.00	sandalwood oil
10.00	vetiver oil haiti
10.00	isoamyl salicylate
20.00	coumarin
35.00	hydroxycitronellal
20.00	alpha-amyl cinnamaldehyde
20.00	aldehyde C-14 10%
25.00	musk ambrette replacer
180.00	DIPG
1000.00	Total

 

[msaintdizier]

It is the formula.

 

[mnitabach]

Very interesting formula!

 

[pkiler]

It is the essence of Chanel 5

Somewhat... the essence. Call it a part of the essence, or "in the direction of...".

 

[msaintdizier]

Avalaible in library

 

[msaintdizier]

U can read it in library.

 

[jfrater]

Aldalia and aldehone were both early bases - very complex with lots of naturals and other bases in them also. I don't recall who made the first but aldehone was by Roure and one was a copy of the other. Jean Carles used it (aldehone) in Ma Griffe.

 

[pkiler]

U can read it in library.

I have my own Library.


1940-ish formula (redacted). In the era that Henri Robert worked at the Albert Verley Company in NYC.

 

[pkiler]

 

[msaintdizier]

What do u think about this?
From Fritzsche, Dodge & Olcott, Inc., New
York, N.Y.

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6f/9d/da/5ee7e3fed530e6/US4476040.pdf

 

[msaintdizier]

 

[msaintdizier]

And this one from same company

 

[msaintdizier]

This formula is gorgeous with ambrinol to replace ambregris and vanilla tincture

 

[pkiler]

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That's great. I'm not allowed by contract to share my 10K vintage formulas library publicly.
You were saying that vintage formulas are actually very short. There is nothing short about these formulas.

 

[pkiler]

I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you, sir.
I am grateful that you wish to share.
Just don't assume that you have the market cornered on Perfume formulas, vintage or otherwise, that's all.
Your behavior here in this forum is rather immature for a person of your age and intelligence.

 

[msaintdizier]

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[msaintdizier]

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[jfrater]

I have the original Aldalia for sale - ready to use in your perfumes. In the early 20th century, after Aldalia came aldehone by Roure, an attempt to copy it. Aldalia is amazing - a sweet and woody aldehydic lily of the valley with rose nuances. It is very unique and can be used at quite a decent dose. I have a demo formula for a 1,000 like perfume which uses it. You can download that here.

 

[LaFou]

And this one from same company
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We have to include another 100parts musk to the above?

 

[LaFou]

I have the original Aldalia for sale - ready to use in your perfumes. In the early 20th century, after Aldalia came aldehone by Roure, an attempt to copy it. Aldalia is amazing - a sweet and woody aldehydic lily of the valley with rose nuances. It is very unique and can be used at quite a decent dose. I have a demo formula for a 1,000 like perfume which uses it. You can download that here.

The picture thumb is phenomenal 😅

 

[LaFou]

And this one from same company
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Hi, you seem to have access to some wonderful historical reference,

if I may ask you please, as you mentioned it’s public knowledge, where can I access those informations?

online? Books i could buy? certain libraries I have to visit?

 

[jfrater]

Hi, you seem to have access to some wonderful historical reference,

if I may ask you please, as you mentioned it’s public knowledge, where can I access those informations?

online? Books i could buy? certain libraries I have to visit?

Those formulas are extracted from online patents - I am not sure the site he uses to find them but they are typically public formulas used to demonstrate new materials in patent applications.

and yes, in this formula you would add 100 parts musk tincture 3%. That formula

 

[jfrater]

The picture thumb is phenomenal 😅

I use unsplash for the royalty free imagery

 

[LaFou]

Those formulas are extracted from online patents - I am not sure the site he uses to find them but they are typically public formulas used to demonstrate new materials in patent applications.

and yes, in this formula you would add 100 parts musk tincture 3%. That formula

Thank you 🙏🙏

 

[LaFou]

I use unsplash for the royalty free imagery

It works 👌👌👌 your site in overall is extremely well presented! Very inviting and appealing! I doubt you used some psychology tricks to increase buying! As you may know about me already 🤣🤣

 

[jfrater]

It works 👌👌👌 your site in overall is extremely well presented! Very inviting and appealing! I doubt you used some psychology tricks to increase buying! As you may know about me already 🤣🤣

Hah I just write about what I love and use pictures that appeal most to me. No trickery involved