Fake Terre d'Hermes

pantala

New member
Jan 26, 2011
Hello,

I have been lurking on basenotes for some time now, using it as a valuable resource while searching for my perfect fragrance. After lots of sampling (and lots of olfactory fatigue!) I became enamored with Terre d'Hermes.

Unfortunately the bottle I bought from eBay is a counterfeit, and I thought I would post some pictures. I haven't seen pics of fake TdH yet here on basenotes, or anywhere for that matter.

First off, the perfume itself. Very heavy and offensive alcohol at the top. Drydown is reminiscent of TdH but without the dark moss, which leads me to believe this is real perfume watered down. Longevity is near nonexistent.

Some pictures.

The front of the box. A good replica and nearly impossible to tell. The logo is properly embossed. The cardboard itself is slightly glossier than authentic.
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The bottom of the box. Hard to tell it's a fake unless you have a genuine box next to it. Improper wording and most importantly, no serial number printed.
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Inside packaging. Notice the damage at the top.
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The bottle itself. Obvious fake, when I saw this my heart sank. Out of box the fill level was as pictured.
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The screen-printing on the bottle is very fuzzy.
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Closeup.
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No serial number on back bottom right.
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Hermes Paris logo on sprayer is very low quality with no accent over the "e".
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Gold underneath the sprayer, the authentic bottles I've seen have been silver.
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Note: There was originally an image here depicting the underside of the screw-closure with some question about whether it should be orange or brown. A tester I saw was brown, but everybody in this discussion indicated that it should be orange. I can confirm that my new authentic bottle is also orange.

Anyways, hope this post helps a newbie like me in the future. Of course, it's a lesson in if-it's-too-good-to-be-true... eBay claims they have a strict policy on counterfeits and fakes, so hopefully I'll get a refund out of this.

And if anybody has a bottle of TdH they are trying to get rid of for a good price, PM me! :laugh:
 
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PradaG

Basenotes Dependent
Jan 28, 2011
Wow. Sorry about getting duped like that. Counterfeiters are making any and everything it seems. I would have never thought TDH would be faked
 

JonnyLeMale

Basenotes Dependent
Aug 4, 2010
Wow. Sorry about getting duped like that. Counterfeiters are making any and everything it seems. I would have never thought TDH would be faked


same. i came into this thread thinking this was just another paranoid guy. but no. really sorry to see that buddy. hope u get ur money back and it was nothing but a lesson well learned. Personally, i would rather pay the extra 20 bucks or whatever for peace of mind buying it from nordstroms or something like that
 

Rosehavn

Basenotes Dependent
Jun 1, 2010
That sucks! Where did you purchase it? If you share this info, we will avoid the seller.:angry:
 

yrk

Super Member
Jul 5, 2008
ive seen lot of differences while looking for terre online
there were boxes with "Pour Homme" and without it and both are legit :eek:
 

Primrose

Basenotes Plus
Basenotes Plus
May 22, 2009
Thank you for passing this along. I am sorry for your misfortune. Counterfeiters will go to great lengths to dupe the buyer.
 

laph

Basenotes Dependent
Feb 5, 2011
panatala, sorry to hear you got ripped off. Apparently they sometimes put dangerous chemicals in fakes which makes it even worse. Please tell us who the seller was and let us know how you go with the refund - both would be very helpfull.
 

pantala

New member
Jan 26, 2011
Thanks all for the kind words! I have sent a message to the seller and want to wait to see what the response is before I out them. They do not have a past history of selling fragrances, so it is entirely possible that they were not aware of the fakery. (I know, I know, but I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.)

If they don't respond or are confrontational I'll certainly update this thread with the seller name!
 

jmcgonigal

Basenotes Member
Oct 4, 2010
I hate to see this, this is why I avoid eBay for fragrances. I don't care how trusted their are, there's just something about it. I hope the seller at least makes good on their obvious attempt to screw you over.
 
S

Sorcery of Scent

Guest
This is a great resource for fake TDH - thanks for posting.
 

Indie_Guy

Basenotes Dependent
Dec 13, 2003
same. i came into this thread thinking this was just another paranoid guy. but no.

Ditto. I was thinking the same thing, but this really does look like a fake compared to my bottle. The lettering looked poor quality and that really jumped out at me; on my bottle, the printing is extremely crisp. Also, the bottom inner contours of most bottles tend to skew slightly to being tilted to one side, but my Terre D'Hermes bottle is pretty even on the bottom inside of the bottle-- the pic you posted shows a bottle that surely would be outside the allowable tolerance for a bottle from Hermes.

You were right in every regard, except the underside edge of my cap looks orange too-- I don't think it would be brown.

Wow. Looks like a genuine fake. I would have also thought this bottle would be too complicated to try to reproduce, but I stand corrected.

Thanks for sharing.
 

pantala

New member
Jan 26, 2011
Thanks Indie_Guy. I modified the original post to reflect your findings of orange on the bottom of the screw-closure. I checked out a bottle at Nordstrom today and it was brown. Looks like it is not a sure indicator of forgery.
 

odioustoilet

Basenotes Dependent
May 1, 2010
I went out and purchased Herve Leger Pour Homme by Avon because people said it was a rip-off of TDH.

I think it's close, love it and not expensive!

Just mentioning it in case you are looking for alternatives.
 

Rescentment

Super Member
Sep 22, 2010
Great information and photos. Sorry you didn't get the real juice.

I just sprayed TdH as my scent of the day. Jean-Claude Ellena makes good stuff!

Just as an aside - what the hell do counterfeiters put into the fake stuff? Any of the fake stuff that you can stumble into online or elsewhere? What kind of stuff do they use as their juice?
 

Indie_Guy

Basenotes Dependent
Dec 13, 2003
Thanks Indie_Guy. I modified the original post to reflect your findings of orange on the bottom of the screw-closure. I checked out a bottle at Nordstrom today and it was brown. Looks like it is not a sure indicator of forgery.

Well, it's kind of hard to get a really good look at it because of the angle required to examine it. It definitely looks orange to me-- which would go along with the orange in the TdH color scheme. The ones you saw-- were they a kind of brownish/orange or were they a more definite shade of brown? I'm thinking that it's definitely orange, but could look a bit brown because of certain lighting and being that it's such a small area. I have both the EDT and Parfum and they both look orange to me.

Another thing about your fake which seems very suspect is the clear spray atomizer tube that descends into the juice and goes all the way to the bottom. Both my 1.6 oz EDT and my 2.5 oz parfum bottles have atomizer tubes that are rather straight compared to the tube in yours. In yours, it appears that the tube was too long and is very bent and contorted in making its way to the bottom of the bottle. It's like they didn't take the time to measure the tube and snip it to the right length but rather stuck a stock one-size-fits-all tube in there and forced it to snake around in the bottle. I could be wrong, but this looks very shoddy to me, and not the way Hermes does things.
 

Dorje123

Basenotes Dependent
Feb 15, 2011
I have the EDT and EDP and both screw closures are orange for sure...

x2, mine are orange too.

It's pretty obvious you got screwed when you take the bottle out, but the box is VERY close, I'm not sure too many people would recognize the packaging as fake.
 

pantala

New member
Jan 26, 2011
Hi everybody. A quick update: I filed an eBay Buyer Protection claim against this seller which went unanswered, and finally resulted in the claim awarded in my favor and a refund being issued. Thank you to all who replied, I have no doubt that everybody's opinion here assisted in eBay's investigation, as I sent them this thread and all replies thought this item was counterfeit. I originally was giving the seller the benefit of the doubt and was not going to identify them, but since I got zero messages from them (even before I filed the counterfeit claim), I'll state the seller's ID: shoesandmoreforyou from Willis, Texas.

I have had at least one other person send me a PM stating that these pictures helped them identify a fake of their own and get a refund through eBay.

While I was waiting for the investigation to complete I ordered a real bottle of TdH from perfumania.com for only a few dollars more than I paid on eBay. Although I have lots of experience on eBay (member since 1999) I find myself with doubts when browsing listings now! Thanks again everybody. Hope this thread will help others in the future.

BTW, I was hoping I would be able to take side-by-side photos of the counterfeit and real bottles to add to the thread but one of the eBay Buyer Protection requirements is to send the item back to the seller. (I did consider sending back a box of rocks, just to keep the fake bottle as a novelty! ;) )
 
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Gollnick

Super Member
Oct 6, 2010
How unfortunate. I happen to be enjoying TdH as the SOTE tonight. I haven't worn it yet this calendar year and am wondering why that is true.
 

Dr_Rudi

Basenotes Dependent
Nov 5, 2008
You were right in every regard, except the underside edge of my cap looks orange too-- I don't think it would be brown.

Thanks Indie_Guy. I modified the original post to reflect your findings of orange on the bottom of the screw-closure. I checked out a bottle at Nordstrom today and it was brown. Looks like it is not a sure indicator of forgery.

I'm thinking that it's definitely orange, but could look a bit brown because of certain lighting and being that it's such a small area. I have both the EDT and Parfum and they both look orange to me.

I have the EDT and EDP and both screw closures are orange for sure...

x2, mine are orange too.

I think it's difficult to tell - one person's orange is another person's brown. You really only see it in the reflection on the "mirror" top of the bottle, or to hold the bottle at an angle. The colour in Pantala's photograph looks pretty accurate to me. And I have 3 bottles of the EDT, bought from reliable bricks and mortar retailers.
 

pantala

New member
Jan 26, 2011
I've removed the image from the original post questioning whether the underside of the closure should be brown or orange. I agree now that it should be orange, at the time I was basing the statement off of a tester I saw at Nordstrom that was brown.
 

andylama

Basenotes Junkie
Aug 11, 2008
I don't have my bottle in front of me, but isn't the "H" shape on the bottom of the genuine bottle colored pale orange as well?
 

Shaheen

Basenotes Dependent
Aug 15, 2008
Just another reason for people to STOP purchasing fragrances on Ebay completely. The counterfeiting is getting more rampant and the fakes are getting harder and harder to detect. I've seen sellers with thousands of previous sales and 99.8% positive feedback selling multiple fakes. It's become a cesspool, and the only way to fight it is just to stay the fuck away from it altogether.
 

hobbes22

Basenotes Dependent
Aug 17, 2011
Sorry to bump an old thread, but I just got a bottle of Terre D'Hermes, and I noticed the bottom of my box looks basically identical to this one. The OP stated that the wording on the bottom of his box is slightly different from an authentic box, can anyone confirm this? I do have a serial # imprinted on my box, at least.

Also, the serial number on the bottle that doesn't match the box, but I've read that doesn't necessarily mean it's a fake. The juice itself smells authentic, and the bottle doesn't exhibit any of the suspicious characteristics that pantala has on his fake bottle. I feel fairly certain this is authentic (bought from a BN'r with lots of good reputation). I just want to clear up if the wording on the bottom of the box indicates it's fake (since I have the same wording on my box).

Thanks!
 

Dudester!

Banned
Nov 14, 2008
What was the seller's star rating or feedback? I almost never, ever purchase from eBay unless the seller has great customer ratings from so many users. Even then though, it's just not really worth it in essence. Always go with online merchants.
 

hobbes22

Basenotes Dependent
Aug 17, 2011
Well, I bought from a basenoter on here, in the "for sale" forum. Seems like a really nice, great guy, and he has a 100% feedback rating (and 80+ feedback). I already bought a fake bottle from ebay, which is why I decided to get it either here from someone legit (hopefully) or from a retailer.

So, hopefully someone that has a 100% legit bottle and box can look at the bottom of their box and see if it's different from the pic posted above by the OP.
 

Master-Classter

Basenotes Plus
Basenotes Plus
Aug 14, 2009
the other things that look off to me are
- the feeder tube seems too long and poorly fed in so it doesn't quite hit the corner of the inside
- the juice seems a pale color and IIRC my TdH juice is a much darker richer orange/brown color
- the inside of the bottle seems off angle, like way slanted...

I could be wrong based off memory but those would tip me off.
 

hobbes22

Basenotes Dependent
Aug 17, 2011
the other things that look off to me are
- the feeder tube seems too long and poorly fed in so it doesn't quite hit the corner of the inside
- the juice seems a pale color and IIRC my TdH juice is a much darker richer orange/brown color
- the inside of the bottle seems off angle, like way slanted...

Well thankfully, none of these apply, the bottle seems genuine to me. More importantly, smells 100% authentic.

Unfortunately for me, a female friend said it smells like BO (now I'm almost hoping this is fake).
 

Partario

Basenotes Dependent
Jun 17, 2011
Well thankfully, none of these apply, the bottle seems genuine to me. More importantly, smells 100% authentic.

Unfortunately for me, a female friend said it smells like BO (now I'm almost hoping this is fake).

That's odd. How long did you have it on at the time? Once this one hits dry down I think it's got a pretty pleasant smell, almost reminiscent of LDDM. As of now I've only tried the EDT however. The EDP concentration is on it's way, so I'll have to see if that one is much different.
 

hobbes22

Basenotes Dependent
Aug 17, 2011
It was on for 2-3 hours. I agree, I think it smells great, but I can see where some of the notes come together in almost this discordant way that might be confused with BO. There's this slight tangy sharp smell from the flint and citrus that might be causing this.

I'm hoping it's just an off day for me. I'll do a full wearing tomorrow on my chest, we'll see if it's different. I wonder if the parfum does away with this, since it's rounder and smoother.

Btw, do you have the EDT box? Does the bottom look similar/identical to the bottom in the OP's pics? Mine looks virtually the same, except I have a serial # stamped on the right side of the bottom.
 

Partario

Basenotes Dependent
Jun 17, 2011
I don't actually own it, I've only sampled it a few times. I'm getting a larger sized EDP sample at the moment so I can compare the two before I spring for either one, so unfortunately I can't help you as far as the box goes.

Concerning the scent though, the smell may be affected by the heat as well. Patchouli can do funny things on skin in higher humidity IMO, so that could be some of it. Maybe in cooler weather the over all blend will be more appreciated by your friend. There are many detractors who will say to wear anything in any season, but I find that there are some notes (like clove for example) that get strait up funky in high heat and humidity, and can almost smell like BO if you're not aware what you're smelling. This might be the case.

Tragically this is why I haven't cracked out my Vetyverio lately. Awesome fragrance, but the clove in this one's mid is a bit of a sour killer in Japan's summer. Fall should be coming soon though.
 

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