Does all hedione have a fatty off-note smelled pure?

santeripe

Basenotes Member
Nov 28, 2021
I'm not sure if this is a batch issue, but if I apply pure Hedione on skin, I smell nothing but a weak gross fatty smell. It smells distinctly oily and fatty in a kind of floral way. This smell is totally different from the projection or "aura" of Hedione. I catch glimpses of this pleasant citrusy aura if I smell Hedione rubbed on clothes, or if it's super super highly diluted. But I go nose-blind to it instantly. All that's revealed underneath is this weak unpalatable fatty smell. Is this a common feature across all Hedione? It would explain why there isn't a hedione solo-molecule fragrance.

Weirly enough, this fatty smell goes great with Iso-E Super and creates a sort of "green leafy field after rain" effect. Iso-E overdose with some Hedione smells better to me than Molecule 01, which is already one of my top favorites. I can smell this combo more clearly on myself. That fatty oily smell doesn't go anywhere, it just loses its unpalatability.
 

santeripe

Basenotes Member
Nov 28, 2021
Toss and buy new
I thought of that too, but I bought it last month and it was manufactured in June, so I'm not sure... The smell isn't "expired" at all, just fatty and unexpected from how fresh the sillage smells. It's also very very faint. I can only smell it on skin, and adding other materials covers it. I've experienced expired Hedione with BR540; it turned very offensive and stingingly sour. My blends with this Hedione don't have that smell.
 

santeripe

Basenotes Member
Nov 28, 2021
Who Made it?
Firmenich. When you smell pure Hedione on skin with a much more trained nose than me, what's it like? Do you smell the same fresh-floral-citrus uplifting aura effect that Hedione HC gives in a blend? Do you smell nothing at all? Is there a scent you could describe as fatty or oily?
 

PeeWee678

Basenotes Member
Jan 7, 2022
I'm not sure if this is a batch issue, but if I apply pure Hedione on skin, I smell nothing but a weak gross fatty smell. It smells distinctly oily and fatty in a kind of floral way. This smell is totally different from the projection or "aura" of Hedione. I catch glimpses of this pleasant citrusy aura if I smell Hedione rubbed on clothes, or if it's super super highly diluted. But I go nose-blind to it instantly. All that's revealed underneath is this weak unpalatable fatty smell. Is this a common feature across all Hedione? It would explain why there isn't a hedione solo-molecule fragrance.
Same experience here with Firmenich Hedione and Hedione HC (although it doesn't give me anosmia) and I initially thought it was my Hedione so I made sure my next supplier tested it (he also had some experience with bad Hedione). He assured me it was fresh and it smells exactly the same as my previous bottles. Indeed, pure (or in 10% dilution for that matter) it doesn't smell "nice", fresh, or attractive but in a blend it does its job.

I'm pretty sure it's just the way some of us perceive certain AC's in a different way and/or it could also be an acquired taste. I have to say I have changed my opinion on Hedione quite substantially over the past year or so. I didn't "get it" at all for quite some time but now I think it's a very important material when incorporated in a formula.
 

santeripe

Basenotes Member
Nov 28, 2021
Same experience here with Firmenich Hedione and Hedione HC (although it doesn't give me anosmia) and I initially thought it was my Hedione so I made sure my next supplier tested it (he also had some experience with bad Hedione). He assured me it was fresh and it smells exactly the same as my previous bottles. Indeed, pure (or in 10% dilution for that matter) it doesn't smell "nice", fresh, or attractive but in a blend it does its job.

I'm pretty sure it's just the way some of us perceive certain AC's in a different way and/or it could also be an acquired taste. I have to say I have changed my opinion on Hedione quite substantially over the past year or so. I didn't "get it" at all for quite some time but now I think it's a very important material when incorporated in a formula.
Ahh, so someone has had the same experience! I actually gravitate towards Hedione-heavy commercial fragrances, so it's a bit odd for me to dislike the molecule on its own. CK One is 1/3 Hedione, and it's easily top 10 for me. Nishane Wulong Cha is another great Hedione bomb. I really do love the sillage that especially Hedione HC gives. Even mine in blends. This fatty skin-scent is just keeping me from wearing it pure. Not neat, not in 10% dilution.

I feel like Hedione works in a blend because blending covers what I find unappealing in it. That fatty smell may always be there, deeply buried in more powerful ingredients. Only the fresh-floral-citrus sillage pushes through. And again, even in combination with transparent Iso-E Super, I already find the fatty smell a non-issue. It forms a sort of leafy pleasant accord. It's still fatty, but only slightly fatty in the way of waxy dark green leaves.
 

JB3

New member
Nov 28, 2022
I read a great article on Hedione with iso e super.

I'm a amatuer to fragrances and want to make my own fragrance with hedione, iso e super and perfumer’s alcohol

Can anyone on this thread provide me with your best recipe/formula in milliliters (ML) AND in GRAMS to make the best formula with only using hedione, iso e super and perfumer's alcohol ??

Thank you in advance for your professional formula.
 

mnitabach

Basenotes Dependent
Nov 13, 2020
I read a great article on Hedione with iso e super.

I'm a amatuer to fragrances and want to make my own fragrance with hedione, iso e super and perfumer’s alcohol

Can anyone on this thread provide me with your best recipe/formula in milliliters (ML) AND in GRAMS to make the best formula with only using hedione, iso e super and perfumer's alcohol ??

Thank you in advance for your professional formula.
There is no "best" formula for a composition that is solely hedione & IES. There is just what ratio of these two materials that works best to achieve the effects you are seeking.
 

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