Dior Homme Intense DHI 2020 shocker!

Thechoosen

Member
Apr 28, 2020
So I went to my local parfum shop to get my quarteryear refill of my DHI juice. I didnt need to smell it cause Ive bought it plenty of times. So the day after I opened the box and noticed the bottle was different. I checked if I really bought DHI instead of the original or another DH, but the packaging said DHI. AH! nice little update, I thought, and continued my routine. After spraying the juice and went out of the door, I noticed I didnt really smell the normally so penatrant and present smell. Normally I smell it very lively. During the day I noticed It didnt project at all and started to worry. Wth is going on? Normally, after a whole day, I still smell like dhi as if I had just put it on but this time it wasnt so. I started my reseach and saw multiple reviews of DHI 2020 being NOT the same. My smell wasnt biased cause I didnt even know there was a reformula.

I can honestly say the opening is the same as the previous formula of dhi but after moments the deepness and richness of the scent is gone. That projection just isnt there and it comes over far "flatter" than the previous DHI. It still has the same notes though, but imo its not as sensual as it used to be and seems more like an office parfum. Heck, I was so shocked I even made an account for this site just to share my experience!! ( lurker since 2013 though 😊 ).
 

deltasun

Well-known member
Jun 12, 2017
So I went to my local parfum shop to get my quarteryear refill of my DHI juice. I didnt need to smell it cause Ive bought it plenty of times. So the day after I opened the box and noticed the bottle was different. I checked if I really bought DHI instead of the original or another DH, but the packaging said DHI. AH! nice little update, I thought, and continued my routine. After spraying the juice and went out of the door, I noticed I didnt really smell the normally so penatrant and present smell. Normally I smell it very lively. During the day I noticed It didnt project at all and started to worry. Wth is going on? Normally, after a whole day, I still smell like dhi as if I had just put it on but this time it wasnt so. I started my reseach and saw multiple reviews of DHI 2020 being NOT the same. My smell wasnt biased cause I didnt even know there was a reformula.

I can honestly say the opening is the same as the previous formula of dhi but after moments the deepness and richness of the scent is gone. That projection just isnt there and it comes over far "flatter" than the previous DHI. It still has the same notes though, but imo its not as sensual as it used to be and seems more like an office parfum. Heck, I was so shocked I even made an account for this site just to share my experience!! ( lurker since 2013 though �� ).

Despite being a lurker, welcome to the forums! Thanks for sharing your experience. Somehow, I thought the discussion around DHI 2020 was that it was not touched like DH 2020. I guess I didn't read any more past the few posts in that thread, and did not notice the performance changes.
 

broguesforsir

Well-known member
Aug 19, 2012
My bottle from a few years ago took months to open up, so to speak. Maybe your’s needs some time. Thinking back, do you remember if any of your previous DHI got stronger over time?
 

Ken_Russell

Well-known member
Jan 21, 2006
Did not test this one from 2020, but from all prior versions (if there were any batch/formulation changes in the first place) including the ones tested in 2019 and likely manufactured during a similar time interval, always remembering this fragrance as having constantly unchanged, enduring high performance after applying
 

Thechoosen

Member
Apr 28, 2020
Well, this time its definately a difference. Even my wife noticed the difference. Its not the same change as DH though, but surely noticable.
 

speckmann0706

Well-known member
Mar 8, 2017
Hopefully it’s just the bottle needing to open up since it’s new, if not exchange for a new one bad bottles do exist and happen. There is a good amount of reviews on Fragrantica stating it opens fresher but otherwise performs the same and dries down the same.
 

Twilight99

Well-known member
Nov 23, 2013
From my memory, Fragfrog hadn’t smelled the new bottle yet, but is does have the same formula code, so the formula has not changed in a few years.

Thechoosen, how old was your old bottle? Could it be older than the last reformulation?
 

Foamywax

Well-known member
May 2, 2013
What a disappointment.
I'm ready to buy this one...
Been wanting it for awhile now.
They should have left the inside AND outside
just the way it was.
Having said that , take a look at the ingredient list
and see if anything is different.
 

Twilight99

Well-known member
Nov 23, 2013
What a disappointment.
I'm ready to buy this one...
Been wanting it for awhile now.
They should have left the inside AND outside
just the way it was.
Having said that , take a look at the ingredient list
and see if anything is different.

Don’t make a judgement just yet. There are multiple reviews that say that it is still the same juice. It may be many reasons why OP has perceived the scent to be different. His original bottle might have been from an old formulation. His new bottle might not have macerated enough just yet. His new bottle might be defective. Even his surprise of the new bottle could have impacted how he perceives the fragrance.
 

Foamywax

Well-known member
May 2, 2013
Lets hope so..
I liked the bottle just the way it was.
What is all this revamping for?
And people are probably buying the new dior homme 2020 fragrance thinking they are buying the original.
Really weird. Also the new bottles look smaller now.
 

FragFrog

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2018
Hi guys! :)

From my memory, Fragfrog hadn’t smelled the new bottle yet, but is does have the same formula code, so the formula has not changed in a few years.

That's correct, I haven't smelled the new bottle 2020 DHI yet.
But have already stated, too, that the formulation code hasn't changed so far.

However I've read about reports from SAs who had a lot of customers who complained about DHI - same thing as the TO says, that it lacks performance and depth.
Of course it's possible that the juice just needs some time to macerate well and then offers the old admired beauty.

But I remember me having sniffed several 2016 and 2017 batches (which were also the current 10950/A formulation) and they were much weaker than the 2018 and early 2019 ones I've got.
So I wouldn't guarantee that Dior always keeps the concentration of oils at the same level and/or doesn't change some ingrediants (or at least the source where they bought them from which could possibly lead to tolerances, especially with natural raw materials, if there were used any ones).

And I really wouldn't be surprised if the new 2020 DHI isn't the same as the 2019 one anymore.


On a side note:

Please also keep in mind, when buying DHI backup bottles, that there were also new style boxes with the bee logo including the old style bottle with the old good juice.
I've posted that a year ago: http://www.basenotes.net/threads/465207-Dior-Homme-Intense-2019

As the new 2020 DHI bottles are a little bit slimmer, the packaging should be smaller, too (like 2020 Dior Homme).
Maybe that's the best way to specify them if you aren't aware about the batch codes system.
 

Beck

Well-known member
May 13, 2014
I used to like Dior reformulations and defend the brand but now they are beginning to become indefensible. Restricting distribution of excellent fragrances, reformulating others to more commercial formulas, discontinuing others. I was hoping at least to find DHI untouched when I will need to backup my DH. C’mon, enough is enough.
 

FragFrog

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2018
I used to like Dior reformulations and defend the brand but now they are beginning to become indefensible. Restricting distribution of excellent fragrances, reformulating others to more commercial formulas, discontinuing others. I was hoping at least to find DHI untouched when I will need to backup my DH. C’mon, enough is enough.

Well, officially DHI isn't reformulated yet.

But I would certainly buy backup bottles as long as the older pre 2020 ones with the older bottle design are still flying around.
I'm pretty sure that it doesn't get any better.

The same 10x with Dior Homme Parfum. Just buy the 75ml ones and be safe!
 

FragFrog

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2018
Unfortunately that’s not how subconscious biases work. Just seeing a different bottle can be enough to set them off. Even more so because most fragrance enthusiasts already associate a packaging change with a formulation change.

That's a good point but I bet fragrance enthusiasts who are aware about formulation codes won't let them be fooled just by a different packaging.
And iirc the SAs were trained to tell their customers in case of DHI that's only a new packaging and the juice is the same.

Again, I personally haven't smelled 2020 DHI so I can't tell my own personal impressions.
I have enough backups of the old bottles (of a certain 2018 batch which just wow'ed me so I bought 4 bottles immediately...) so I have no need to try the new one.
But I would do if some of my fellow fragrance enthusiasts would send me a sample if they want to know what I think of it.
 

Varanis Ridari

The Scented Devil
Basenotes Plus
Oct 17, 2012
Not a shock and older DHI testers are already $140-$280 on the bay, so this one is "unicorning" fast. Good thing I prefer normal Dior Homme and already took care of those backups, or I'd be flipping tables.
 

MegaMav

Well-known member
Dec 12, 2013
Not a shock and older DHI testers are already $140-$280 on the bay, so this one is "unicorning" fast. Good thing I prefer normal Dior Homme and already took care of those backups, or I'd be flipping tables.

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I have 2x 100ml and 2x 150ml of it.
More than enough for multiple lifetimes.
 

MegaMav

Well-known member
Dec 12, 2013
Oh I'm not saying it isn't cheaper elsewhere (also watch because those could be 2020 packaging bottles FN is selling), but yes the usual suspects on the Bay have this outrageously marked up

Then why are you fanning the flames? Because prices arent uniform everywhere on a product?
You always do this, something goes disco'd then you shout from the rooftops how wrong it is to price something to demand.
Like usual, no change in formula code, but people are freaking out about the bottle change.
This hobby is so weird.
 

seldomseen

Well-known member
Mar 23, 2018
DHI 2020 really isn't all that bad...and has been freshened/lightened a bit so that it's more wearable year round now. DHI 2020 still smells retains the classic DH quality despite having a slightly lighter and less sweetened feel.

But yes, I do prefer the now discontinued version....especially for fall and winter wear.

All the major discounters have sold out of the previous DHI...but haven't updated their website with the new box and bottle picture.
 

speckmann0706

Well-known member
Mar 8, 2017
DHI 2020 really isn't all that bad...and has been freshened/lightened a bit so that it's more wearable year round now. DHI 2020 still smells retains the classic DH quality despite having a slightly lighter and less sweetened feel.

But yes, I do prefer the now discontinued version....especially for fall and winter wear.

All the major discounters have sold out of the previous DHI...but haven't updated their website with the new box and bottle picture.

Yea, Maxaroma is selling the 2020 DHI for $88 was thinking about it. Nice to know it has been lightened up a bit for year round wear it was pretty stuffy before for warmer weather.
 

Varanis Ridari

The Scented Devil
Basenotes Plus
Oct 17, 2012
Then why are you fanning the flames? Because prices arent uniform everywhere on a product?
You always do this, something goes disco'd then you shout from the rooftops how wrong it is to price something to demand.
Like usual, no change in formula code, but people are freaking out about the bottle change.
This hobby is so weird.

I don't recall saying anything in this thread to the effect of what's going on being "wrong", so don't put words in my mouth. I'm grateful for the samples but that doesn't grant you a pass to make an attack on my character by saying I "always" do X or Y, just like the way you literally insult people who like something you dislike (such as Dior Homme 2020).

I'm not going to put up with snark targeted at me like that, although everyone else might be okay with you doing that to them, and if you dislike my participation in these forums you are more than welcome to block list me, but I'm not going to stand here and let you condescend or belittle me.

Yeah sure, this hobby is pretty weird when people go for the throat over an opinion on perfume.
 

Thechoosen

Member
Apr 28, 2020
That's a good point but I bet fragrance enthusiasts who are aware about formulation codes won't let them be fooled just by a different packaging.
And iirc the SAs were trained to tell their customers in case of DHI that's only a new packaging and the juice is the same.

Again, I personally haven't smelled 2020 DHI so I can't tell my own personal impressions.
I have enough backups of the old bottles (of a certain 2018 batch which just wow'ed me so I bought 4 bottles immediately...) so I have no need to try the new one.
But I would do if some of my fellow fragrance enthusiasts would send me a sample if they want to know what I think of it.

Even though the code says it isnt a reformulatuon, it simply is! And just now my wife smelled me again and rubbed it in and said: it really smells different����. It is still a good smell though. Its more like an DHI sport version or something. My orevios bottle thst I bought in august 2019, was produced in februari 2019 and smells STRONG!!!!!
 

Twilight99

Well-known member
Nov 23, 2013
That is very worrying news. It is very upsetting if there is such a big change between a 2019 bottle and a new 2020 bottle. I guess it’s time to buy backup bottles for fans of the scent.
 

speckmann0706

Well-known member
Mar 8, 2017
Let the bottle open up for a few weeks or a month or two and return to it. The possibility of it needing to breath exists wait and see all you can do. If that fails search eBay for more of pre 2020 DHI, or online discounters and write them emails plenty exist just need to find it pain in the butt but worth it.
 

smellyD

Well-known member
Feb 7, 2014
I have my first bottle arriving today. All the hype around DHI got to me. I ordered it from Fragrance X, which showed the old bottle. Honestly I hope I get the "new" fragrance (assuming this is a real thing). If it's fresher and more wearable year round, that's a good thing since I live in Texas. But I won't know the difference since I've never smelled DHI.

This thread added an extra level of mystery and excitement to blind buying DHI!

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
 

MegaMav

Well-known member
Dec 12, 2013
I don't recall saying anything in this thread to the effect of what's going on being "wrong", so don't put words in my mouth.

but yes the usual suspects on the Bay have this outrageously marked up

I guess outrageous means you're agreeable to the pricing?

Not a shock and older DHI testers are already $140-$280 on the bay, so this one is "unicorning" fast.

I see a 2016 tester for $100 from a 100% feedback seller.

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If you werent drumming up drama with your eBay pricing comments, what were you doing?
Those prices you quoted arent even close to whats lowest price available for testers.
People can price their products how they want and if they're worth what they're listed for, they sell according to demand.
If its too high, it sits until it matches demand pricing.
The free market (eBay) price bashing shtick you do is getting old, you do it a lot.
This is a LUXURY hobby, the finer things in life can be pricey.

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Back to the topic.

To the OP, Thechoosen: This kind of post happens every year with DHI, people buy a new bottle, it smells different to them because the old bottle they used macerated with air for longer and they get adjusted to the smell, they have a fresh bottle, less macerated and pump the first few sprays which have been sitting in a plastic tube for months with air and make a judgement. My advice, let it mellow just like your last one and you'll be fine. Assuming formula codes hold water, you're fine. Let some air get it the bottle with use and things will work out.

On top of that, if it makes you feel any better, I have bottles from 2013, 2015, 2018, 2019 and I dont smell much of a difference between all of them.
I think its one of those fragrances that change slightly with use.
 

smellyD

Well-known member
Feb 7, 2014
I guess outrageous means you're agreeable to the pricing?



I see a 2016 tester for $100 from a 100% feedback seller.

View attachment 124451

If you werent drumming up drama with your eBay pricing comments, what were you doing?
Those prices you quoted arent even close to whats lowest price available for testers.
People can price their products how they want and if they're worth what they're listed for, they sell according to demand.
If its too high, it sits until it matches demand pricing.
The free market (eBay) price bashing shtick you do is getting old, you do it a lot.
This is a LUXURY hobby, the finer things in life can be pricey.

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Back to the topic.

To the OP, Thechoosen: This kind of post happens every year with DHI, people buy a new bottle, it smells different to them because the old bottle they used macerated with air for longer and they get adjusted to the smell, they have a fresh bottle, less macerated and pump the first few sprays which have been sitting in a plastic tube for months with air and make a judgement. My advice, let it mellow just like your last one and you'll be fine. Assuming formula codes hold water, you're fine. Let some air get it the bottle with use and things will work out.

On top of that, if it makes you feel any better, I have bottles from 2013, 2015, 2018, 2019 and I dont smell much of a difference between all of them.
I think its one of those fragrances that change slightly with use.
A sensible post!

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
 

Thechoosen

Member
Apr 28, 2020
Let the bottle open up for a few weeks or a month or two and return to it. The possibility of it needing to breath exists wait and see all you can do. If that fails search eBay for more of pre 2020 DHI, or online discounters and write them emails plenty exist just need to find it pain in the butt but worth it.

Good advise!

Fellow Basenoters: It may come across as being overdramatic, but this is my signature scent, hence its a big deal to me. Im sure you all understand :)
 

FragFrog

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2018
Good advise!

Fellow Basenoters: It may come across as being overdramatic, but this is my signature scent, hence its a big deal to me. Im sure you all understand :)

I fully understand.

It's the same discussion as always. Some say it smells different, some say it doesn't.
So if you smell the difference - even with proper A/B blind testing - then you have your answer.

And talking about cocoa notes.. I really like those bars of chocolate, the one with 61% and the one with 74% cocoa: https://www.ritter-sport.de/blog/2019/02/04/kakao-klasse/
Bought different "batches" of each (different best before dates) and guess what?
They don't taste the same. :D

And I'm sure it's the same recipe, no "reformulation" whatsoever.
 

speckmann0706

Well-known member
Mar 8, 2017
Good advise!

Fellow Basenoters: It may come across as being overdramatic, but this is my signature scent, hence its a big deal to me. Im sure you all understand :)

Have you tried Guerlain L’Instant De Guerlain Pour Homme EDP? I only ask because even while different fragrances I found a lot to love in the Guerlain and prefer it to the Dior. It’s well blended and has a excellent blend of sweet cocoa among other things.
 

Varanis Ridari

The Scented Devil
Basenotes Plus
Oct 17, 2012
I guess outrageous means you're agreeable to the pricing?



I see a 2016 tester for $100 from a 100% feedback seller.

View attachment 124451

If you werent drumming up drama with your eBay pricing comments, what were you doing?
Those prices you quoted arent even close to whats lowest price available for testers.
People can price their products how they want and if they're worth what they're listed for, they sell according to demand.
If its too high, it sits until it matches demand pricing.
The free market (eBay) price bashing shtick you do is getting old, you do it a lot.
This is a LUXURY hobby, the finer things in life can be pricey

No, I'm not agreeable to these prices and I'm allowed to express that when I want, as often as I want, regardless of whether you like it or not. That's how opinions work and I have no need to justify why I have one or how often I express it. Again, if this displeases you, block me. We don't need to be speaking to each other if we have fundamental differences between us.

People can price things how they want just as I can complain about them freely. Funny how that works huh? You don't have to like it and you don't have to like me for it either, but that's your problem once I hit the ignore button on you anyway. I'm tired of petty squabbling and ad hominen BS. Also, all hobbies are a luxury because they require a surplus of time and means to indulge in them. There are more expensive things financially to collect or enjoy than fragrances.

I still fail to see the reason for this attack. Saying you don't agree would have been sufficient, but you made it personal, and I'm thankfully not qualified to unpack or analyze all that implies. I'm done dealing with you. Bye now.
 

furrypine

Community Manager
Staff member
Moderator
Basenotes Plus
Mar 4, 2007
No, I'm not agreeable to these prices and I'm allowed to express that when I want, as often as I want, regardless of whether you like it or not. That's how opinions work and I have no need to justify why I have one or how often I express it. Again, if this displeases you, block me. We don't need to be speaking to each other if we have fundamental differences between us.

I agree, and I think you two should not interact with each other for a good while.
 

Thechoosen

Member
Apr 28, 2020
I guess outrageous means you're agreeable to the pricing?



I see a 2016 tester for $100 from a 100% feedback seller.

View attachment 124451

If you werent drumming up drama with your eBay pricing comments, what were you doing?
Those prices you quoted arent even close to whats lowest price available for testers.
People can price their products how they want and if they're worth what they're listed for, they sell according to demand.
If its too high, it sits until it matches demand pricing.
The free market (eBay) price bashing shtick you do is getting old, you do it a lot.
This is a LUXURY hobby, the finer things in life can be pricey.

-------------------------

Back to the topic.

To the OP, Thechoosen: This kind of post happens every year with DHI, people buy a new bottle, it smells different to them because the old bottle they used macerated with air for longer and they get adjusted to the smell, they have a fresh bottle, less macerated and pump the first few sprays which have been sitting in a plastic tube for months with air and make a judgement. My advice, let it mellow just like your last one and you'll be fine. Assuming formula codes hold water, you're fine. Let some air get it the bottle with use and things will work out.

On top of that, if it makes you feel any better, I have bottles from 2013, 2015, 2018, 2019 and I dont smell much of a difference between all of them.
I think its one of those fragrances that change slightly with use.

But you dont have the 2020 yet. Im intrested in your opinion if you ever get to buy it.
 

Thechoosen

Member
Apr 28, 2020
Have you tried Guerlain L’Instant De Guerlain Pour Homme EDP? I only ask because even while different fragrances I found a lot to love in the Guerlain and prefer it to the Dior. It’s well blended and has a excellent blend of sweet cocoa among other things.

Sure have! ( pre reformulation). I like the lidge more ( which is discontinued). But this is a whole different topic all together.
 

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