Are You Passionate About Style/Fashion/Grooming As Much As Fragrance?

Foamywax

Basenotes Dependent
May 2, 2013
Ironically though, fragrance is where most designers are able to turn a profit. For all but the biggest brands, ready to wear is a relatively small part of earnings (and sometimes even generates a loss). The up-charge for fragrances and cosmetics is MUCH greater compared to cost of materials and production for designer clothes. Having known some small designers, the margins are razor thin yet most people assume because the clothes are expensive, the designers must be getting rich selling them.

Of course bigger brands do produce some junk that they cut corners on, mostly in the form of logo tees and accessories, where the high price does not match the quality of construction or material. But in general, the profit margins on that well made designer suit or jacket aren't really that high.

I always think Gaultier would have gone out of business long ago if he hadn't had a smash hit fragrance... I have no idea who is wearing his clothes anymore and I'm sure the fragrance is keeping him afloat.

Likewise, Comme des Garcons is a very savvily run company, and I'm sure the fragrance (and the Play line) was created to provide a solid financial foundation so Rei can have complete creative freedom at the top and make whatever clothes she wants whether they are wearable or not. CDG is brilliant for this, in that their money maker products still fit within the creative brand ethos and don't read as "selling out". As much as I hate business, this is the ideal setup to maintain artistic freedom within a business structure.
I remember looking around a commes des garcons store in nyc and a pair of jeans were around 500 dollars(nine years ago)..they just looked like..a pair of jeans.
I like clothes but i'd rather spend my money on fragrances.
Besides how much money would i need to shop at the Dior boutique? I prefer to shop at diesel replay and nike.
I used to buy dsquared clothing but im not spending my hard earned cash to support someone's coke addiction and escort fees. My 200 dollars spent on a dsquared t-shirt-well those days are more or less over.
 

slpfrsly

Physician, heal thyself
Basenotes Plus
Apr 1, 2019
Word. SLS in skin cleansers is ridiculous. If your cleanser is overly foamy, it's probably not doing you any favors.

Oh and fwiw Pantene actually has a new sulfates/paraben free line. I've been using the rosewater series.

This is why I stick to basic soap for the most part.

Give it 100 years and I wonder what more we'll know about supposedly safe cosmetic products.

All it takes is time. Including for fragrance, but that's a risk I think I'm happy to take (within reason: for about 3 months I was getting in to oil copies of fragrances until sense finally snapped in and I realised there could literally any old shit in them).
 

Hey Man

Basenotes Dependent
Sep 22, 2006
Word. SLS in skin cleansers is ridiculous. If your cleanser is overly foamy, it's probably not doing you any favors.

Oh and fwiw Pantene actually has a new sulfates/paraben free line. I've been using the rosewater series.

Is shampoo and conditioner still something you don't want to spend a lot of money on, so you are still going to want to buy a drug store brand like Pantene since they do have a natural line now over a brand that has been natural from the get go, but might be 15+ dollars each for shampoo and conditioner?
 

Hey Man

Basenotes Dependent
Sep 22, 2006
1. Yes!!

2. Also, does anyone know a good hair gel that dries fast, doesn't flake or get crispy in your hair? Or maybe I should just switch to pomade. What's the difference?

You need to get off the hair gel. It's cheap junk, it has the problems you mention and there are so many better products out there to achieve a killer hairstyle. Plus the super shine of gel is pretty much out now - matte products are the most popular right now. Gel is very 80's.

Do you have thick or fine hair? Longer or short? What are you wanting a product to do with you hair ala strong hold/medium/light, volume, give it some texture, etc. I will give you some good recommendations.
 

nastrovje

New member
Apr 10, 2020
I hardly pay attention to what I'm wearing. I have about 100 different casual shirts in my closet, some more formal some more leasurely, most of which I wear with well fitting dark jeans and sneakers. Always the same. Good enough for work, casual enough for leisure. I rarely change anything about it. If anything, I switch into a clean black or white t-shirt.

I'm pretty minimalistic in general. I got an automatic steam iron station which I turn on while I'm under the shower and that's it. I wear messy hair but with a good haircut, I spend about 2 minutes in the morning with them. Can pull it off since the rest of my look is quite clean.

I spend ages and a lot of money on finding the perfect jacket and coat for fall/winter however. I hate the cold but don't want to look like I'm going on an expedition.

Summarized I think I just want to look clean and acceptable but don't have a passion for it and don't care about impressing people.
 

Sunnyfunny

Basenotes Dependent
Dec 21, 2008
Also, does anyone know a good hair gel that dries fast, doesn't flake or get crispy in your hair? Or maybe I should just switch to pomade. What's the difference?

Try Colure.

Give it 100 years and I wonder what more we'll know about supposedly safe cosmetic products.

All it takes is time. Including for fragrance, but that's a risk I think I'm happy to take (within reason: for about 3 months I was getting in to oil copies of fragrances until sense finally snapped in and I realised there could literally any old shit in them).

Yes, I've had moments of genuine of concern about my daily fragrance wearing, but I don't need to live to 100. And the thing is, I don't smoke, I rarely drink, I exercise regularly, eat regular and balanced meals, and get a lot of sleep. I'm going to just enjoy my perfume.



Is shampoo and conditioner still something you don't want to spend a lot of money on, so you are still going to want to buy a drug store brand like Pantene since they do have a natural line now over a brand that has been natural from the get go, but might be 15+ dollars each for shampoo and conditioner?

I've used higher end, clean haircare and thrown it out because of its performance. I tried this Pantene stuff because of the low risk and I really like it. I've never sought out a product based on what isn't in it, but on what it's going to do for me; my hair and scalp are healthy so I don't worry too much about them. Maybe one day I'll trial and error my haircare like I have my skincare, but the thing is that my old skincare routine never really worked for me, but my haircare routine does.
 

Sunnyfunny

Basenotes Dependent
Dec 21, 2008
I mean the truth is that unless you're wearing "clean" fragrance, whatever that even means, with your clean skincare and clean haircare, you've got some suspension of disbelief going on. If someone asks, I'll answer, but mostly I'm just not into lifestyle choice preaching on any level.
 

Ken_Russell

Basenotes Institution
Jan 21, 2006
No, not really. Jeans and t-shirt/shirt guy here. I just really like casual wear. Occassionally I do wear a suit and tie, but to me it's a nuisance :D


Fairly much same here-incidentally sharing if not the identical, at least a chronologically very close birthday as well as likely a fairly similar birth year and also geographically not very far regions of residence and/or of origin.

While occasionally enjoying to "dress up" and to formalize outfits and also choose this type of outfits if imposed by formal and/or professional calls, in fact mostly comfortably to keep everything casual.

As much as to allow, as well as enjoy fragrances among the quite rare, though not only vanities and/or accessories that remain long term personal favorites.
 

Hey Man

Basenotes Dependent
Sep 22, 2006
I've used higher end, clean haircare and thrown it out because of its performance. I tried this Pantene stuff because of the low risk and I really like it. I've never sought out a product based on what isn't in it, but on what it's going to do for me; my hair and scalp are healthy so I don't worry too much about them. Maybe one day I'll trial and error my haircare like I have my skincare, but the thing is that my old skincare routine never really worked for me, but my haircare routine does.

Fair enough. I know a lot of women that are very serious about their shampoo and conditioner and will spend $30+ for each if they believe it is the best product for their hair. Or they will spend even more than that for HUGE bottles that typically hair salons buy from beauty supply outlets - but that are also open to the public. I guess everyone has their thing where the cost doesn't really matter.
 

Hey Man

Basenotes Dependent
Sep 22, 2006
I mean the truth is that unless you're wearing "clean" fragrance, whatever that even means, with your clean skincare and clean haircare, you've got some suspension of disbelief going on. If someone asks, I'll answer, but mostly I'm just not into lifestyle choice preaching on any level.

Absolutely right. Using a clean shampoo or soap isn't going to negate the 100 other things that you use or consume that may be slowly killing you if we are to believe the notion that everything causes cancer.
 

Scents And Sense

Basenotes Dependent
May 16, 2020
You need to get off the hair gel. It's cheap junk, it has the problems you mention and there are so many better products out there to achieve a killer hairstyle. Plus the super shine of gel is pretty much out now - matte products are the most popular right now. Gel is very 80's.

Do you have thick or fine hair? Longer or short? What are you wanting a product to do with you hair ala strong hold/medium/light, volume, give it some texture, etc. I will give you some good recommendations.

Gel is pretty annoying and everyday it would take me an hour to do my hair and by the end I would be cranky and in a foul mood. Now that we're basically stuck at home, I've given up on doing gel, etc.

My hair is thick-ish and short. I want a medium to strong hold, low volume, and for it to give it some texture. I don't want it to be shiny, crusty, or flakey. I'm not really an expert on grooming so I don't really know if that's helpful enough. Thanks!! :laugh:
 

Next

Basenotes Junkie
Apr 9, 2012
... it would seem kind of odd to me that someone would be willing to spend $400 to smell good, but perfectly fine with buying their clothes at Walmart. Not that price has anything to do with it, but the balance seems off.

I am sure some might say that fashion and fragrance goes hand in hand and wearing overalls for example kinds of negates the Aventus or some other niche fragrance they may be wearing.

Costco jeans, black t-shirts. I have not worn a tie or suit in 12 years (interview). Last weekend I was wearing Creed Original Vetiver while changing the brakes on my 20 year old daily driver. I wear any of my fragrances to home depot, grocery, auto wreckers, etc. I would agree its probably not the norm, sharing another perspective.
 

Hey Man

Basenotes Dependent
Sep 22, 2006
Gel is pretty annoying and everyday it would take me an hour to do my hair and by the end I would be cranky and in a foul mood. Now that we're basically stuck at home, I've given up on doing gel, etc.

My hair is thick-ish and short. I want a medium to strong hold, low volume, and for it to give it some texture. I don't want it to be shiny, crusty, or flakey. I'm not really an expert on grooming so I don't really know if that's helpful enough. Thanks!! :laugh:

Sorry for the delay. I would recommend Fatboy Perfect Putty to you as well. Easy to work with, non shiny, crusty or flakey. A really good product to start with:

http://www.basenotes.net/threads/47...e-Fashion-Grooming-As-Much-As-Fragrance/page4

Let me know if you have any other questions.
 

Rock72

Super Member
Apr 30, 2019
Yes. But not flashy ones making me look like a billboard for a brand. I don`t wear to impress others but what makes me feel good. Just like scents
 

Ken_Russell

Basenotes Institution
Jan 21, 2006
Sorry for the delay. I would recommend Fatboy Perfect Putty to you as well. Easy to work with, non shiny, crusty or flakey. A really good product to start with:

http://www.basenotes.net/threads/47...e-Fashion-Grooming-As-Much-As-Fragrance/page4

Let me know if you have any other questions.


Another fairly off-topic question is whether the respective Fatboy hair care line (though obviously two entirely different brands) is somehow nevertheless affiliated to the at least equally famous and quite appreciated by the BN wet shaving community Gillette Fatboy DE razor - in the sense that the hair care line may still be or have been owned by the same parent company that owns Gillette.

Only asking this because have noticed a certain DE razor enthusiasm here on BN that particularly but not exclusively mentions and recommends Gillette Fatboy as well, quite evenly distributed between male BN contributors, both the ones heavily into both fragrances and all the other fashion related interests and also to ones who simply occasionally enjoy a good fragrance and a through DE wet shave.
Also another interesting coincidence, probably entirely random and unintended, the starting price for a good condition Fatboy DE razor is quite close to the one of most Fatboy hair care products mentioned.
 

Hey Man

Basenotes Dependent
Sep 22, 2006
Another fairly off-topic question is whether the respective Fatboy hair care line (though obviously two entirely different brands) is somehow nevertheless affiliated to the at least equally famous and quite appreciated by the BN wet shaving community Gillette Fatboy DE razor - in the sense that the hair care line may still be or have been owned by the same parent company that owns Gillette.

Only asking this because have noticed a certain DE razor enthusiasm here on BN that particularly but not exclusively mentions and recommends Gillette Fatboy as well, quite evenly distributed between male BN contributors, both the ones heavily into both fragrances and all the other fashion related interests and also to ones who simply occasionally enjoy a good fragrance and a through DE wet shave.
Also another interesting coincidence, probably entirely random and unintended, the starting price for a good condition Fatboy DE razor is quite close to the one of most Fatboy hair care products mentioned.

Nope - not connected at all.
 

dan86

Super Member
Nov 9, 2014
I’m thinking about giving old Baxter of California Clay and Black Label Craft Clay a go at some point - most probably when I can actually get my hair cut by my barber (we’re still not allowed in Blighty.) It’ll be a treat to myself to try out some new hair products.

Any experience using products from either line? I’ve seen some good YouTube reviews for the above two products and Baxter seems to have been around forever. When it comes to clays I get on better with ones that have beeswax listed in the ingredients and pretty high up the list too.
 

Hey Man

Basenotes Dependent
Sep 22, 2006
I’m thinking about giving old Baxter of California Clay and Black Label Craft Clay a go at some point - most probably when I can actually get my hair cut by my barber (we’re still not allowed in Blighty.) It’ll be a treat to myself to try out some new hair products.

Any experience using products from either line? I’ve seen some good YouTube reviews for the above two products and Baxter seems to have been around forever. When it comes to clays I get on better with ones that have beeswax listed in the ingredients and pretty high up the list too.

I have never tried Black Label Craft Clay, however I have used Baxter's and wouldn't advise someone using that if they are not experienced with other pomades.

Baxters can be hard to work with and to style. It also can weigh down the hair depending on your hair typle. It is not weightless in the hair like some other clay products. It is a popular product though, so obviously people like it. I just wouldn't personally recommend it. You maybe love it though.

If you want some other clay recommendations let me know.
 

tcmquincy

Super Member
Apr 4, 2019
When it comes to suits, belts, shoes, dress shirts: i do not always buy designer/luxury but I ALWAYS do research and buy high quality materials and brands. You can get an amazing suit for 300-1000$ or less if you use ebay or second hand. I dont see a need to spend 3000 on a tom ford suit. I get a ton of compliments on my 300-500$ suits that are tailored well.

As far as grooming I definitely dont buy luxury lol. I use cetaphil moisturizer, bar of soap, toothpase lol. Im not even using a DE razor yet. Most expensive thing I have is fragrance infused pomade which is like 30$ a tub.

But i do spend time researching all these things to make sure I am getting a good quality product for any price point.
 

Beck

Basenotes Dependent
May 13, 2014
I love to choose nice pieces. Now I'm thinking : I should care more about how to match them. I'm more a collector than a "fashionsta".
 

dwntwnjay

Super Member
Oct 13, 2006
Fragrances started off as just another accessory to complete my aesthetic. Same with the watches (love vacherons..I adore my patrimony) And shoes. They added interest to what was otherwise a pretty minimal, fitted, monochrome look I favor. Then they became things I started to appreciate on their own.
 

hellbentforleather

Basenotes Dependent
May 18, 2016
Cool. Let me know what you think, but you need to try it a few times and find the right amount of product to hold your particular hair. I find some people try a product once or twice and toss it before really testing out the product properly.

So I ended up purchasing Firsthand Clay Pomade working off your recommendations and researching myself. I like it. Not a love just yet though I'm only on my second wear. It doesn't seem to be significantly different than Crew Fiber. A bit of a stronger hold for sure though I thought it would be stronger based on reviews. One thing I don't like about it is how strong it smells. It's a nice smell but it definitely competes with the frag I'm wearing. Next, I'm considering the Aveda Grooming Clay and/or the Fat Boy Putty you also recommended.
 

ChuckW

Basenotes Institution
Aug 21, 2001
When it comes to suits, belts, shoes, dress shirts: i do not always buy designer/luxury but I ALWAYS do research and buy high quality materials and brands. I dont see a need to spend 3000 on a tom ford suit. I get a ton of compliments on my 300-500$ suits that are tailored well.
But i do spend time researching all these things to make sure I am getting a good quality product for any price point.

This is my take as well. My most complimented suit came from Express, but tailored to fit me well. I shop for quality at discounted prices.
 

Sisyphus

Super Member
May 11, 2018
This is my take as well. My most complimented suit came from Express, but tailored to fit me well. I shop for quality at discounted prices.

I also agree with this. One of the best advises I ever got was to look for a very good shoemaker and tailor in the town you live, and built a good relationship with them. I took this advise to heart, and since a few years I finally have the feeling I'm building a well tailored ward rope. I think when it comes to style, fit is maybe the most important thing. When that isn't right, it doesn't matter how great or expensive the piece of clothing is you bought. It will just never look classy or good. I think I take around 75% of my newly bought clothes directly to my tailor after I bought it. I learned that just shortening 2cm of a pair of pants or sleeves of a shirt, or taking in your shirt just a tiny bit, can mean a world of difference in appearance. I rather walk around in a €40,- Charles Tyrwhitt shirt that I took to the tailor, than in a €250,- handmade Neapolitan shirt that is 4 cm to big in the waist (or 2cm to small, even worse).
 

hellbentforleather

Basenotes Dependent
May 18, 2016
When it comes to suits, belts, shoes, dress shirts: i do not always buy designer/luxury but I ALWAYS do research and buy high quality materials and brands. You can get an amazing suit for 300-1000$ or less if you use ebay or second hand. I dont see a need to spend 3000 on a tom ford suit. I get a ton of compliments on my 300-500$ suits that are tailored well.

As far as grooming I definitely dont buy luxury lol. I use cetaphil moisturizer, bar of soap, toothpase lol. Im not even using a DE razor yet. Most expensive thing I have is fragrance infused pomade which is like 30$ a tub.

But i do spend time researching all these things to make sure I am getting a good quality product for any price point.

I could not agree with this more. Style is primarily about fit not expense. Having a good tailor can make all the difference as can simply trying on different sizes.
 

Hey Man

Basenotes Dependent
Sep 22, 2006
So I ended up purchasing Firsthand Clay Pomade working off your recommendations and researching myself. I like it. Not a love just yet though I'm only on my second wear. It doesn't seem to be significantly different than Crew Fiber. A bit of a stronger hold for sure though I thought it would be stronger based on reviews. One thing I don't like about it is how strong it smells. It's a nice smell but it definitely competes with the frag I'm wearing. Next, I'm considering the Aveda Grooming Clay and/or the Fat Boy Putty you also recommended.

Thanks for the feedback. If you do like the Clay enough from Firsthand, you might want to look into their line for other products that may be better suited to you. I think the brand overall is very good. This is very good, but it has a slight shine which is why I didn't recommend it.

https://www.firsthandsupply.com/products/all-purpose-pomade

One thing you need to consider about modern pomades, they are big on fragrance in the product. Unless they offer unscented, so yes - you are going to smell the hair product over maybe what you are used to with American Crew - be it Aveda, Firsthand, etc.

I would say go with the Fatboy first. I think it is better than the Aveda, but also because it is less expensive. If you don't like the Aveda, you have wasted 30 bucks.

Keep me posted.
 

hellbentforleather

Basenotes Dependent
May 18, 2016
Thanks for the feedback. If you do like the Clay enough from Firsthand, you might want to look into their line for other products that may be better suited to you. I think the brand overall is very good. This is very good, but it has a slight shine which is why I didn't recommend it.

https://www.firsthandsupply.com/products/all-purpose-pomade

One thing you need to consider about modern pomades, they are big on fragrance in the product. Unless they offer unscented, so yes - you are going to smell the hair product over maybe what you are used to with American Crew - be it Aveda, Firsthand, etc.

I would say go with the Fatboy first. I think it is better than the Aveda, but also because it is less expensive. If you don't like the Aveda, you have wasted 30 bucks.

Keep me posted.

Very cool. Yeah I think Fatboy is next. Are Fatboy and Aveda stronger than the Firsthand Clay Pomade in your estimation?
 

Hey Man

Basenotes Dependent
Sep 22, 2006
Very cool. Yeah I think Fatboy is next. Are Fatboy and Aveda stronger than the Firsthand Clay Pomade in your estimation?

I would say the hold is somewhat comparable, but again keep it mind that it also depends on a person's hair. Someone with fine hair won't need to add much, but someone with thick hair might need to add two scoops. Again, it is trial and error.

I never thought American Crew Fiber had super strong hold, but it was a medium to firm hold.

Check out this extensive break down review of Fatboy.

https://spruceandsharp.wordpress.com/2018/11/16/fatboy-perfect-putty-review-paraben-free/

Aveda is good, but again - for people trying new products, I like to recommend great products that are not 30 dollars.in price. Most men won't want to pay that much anyway.
 

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