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Shaving fragrances: sudsy, soapy, foamy, and creamy, and more than just any old aromatic fougere

slpfrsly

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I get what OP is saying about THAT texture/feel/aura and the mention of Tragedy of George light bulbed me. Can almost feel it from memory. Good one that!
I get it also in Worth PH, I reckon a lot of reviews are for the later or latest p poor versions (sorry!) As most mention PRPH alongside it. The temerity 😂. This discussion makes it more stark, PRPH feels pretty dry comparitively, and Worth has a wet/humidity about it. I often think of the steamy post shower or face towel post shave with Worth. Gotta wait for it to dry down but yes definitely creamy, shavey, lathery, buttery even. Ha I digressed!

Definitely interested in this 'profile' and eager to see suggestions!
Zegna's Italian Bergamot really is the best example. Try it if you haven't already.
 

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Bracken Man conjured this feeling for me after the opening calmed down. I just bought a 100ml bottle of Beau De Jour and Bracken Man is the next luxury purchase on the list. My 2 favorites not only in foug category but overall.

Im sad I missed Rive Gauche. I dont want to pay vintage prices.

Platinum Egoistse comes up a lot as a shaving cream scent. I like it but found it very sharp and it gave me headaches.
 

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My doorway into fragrance was a wetshaving hobby, and I still have a strong affinity for creamy/soapy/sudsy scents. I agree with the mention of Sartorial. A few others that do this for me to varying degrees:

Caron Pour un Homme Sport
Pascal Morabito Or Black
Prada Luna Rossa Carbon (the foamy vibe separates this from the dry, austere Sauvage EDT imo)
Brooks Brothers 1818 (RIP)
Dunhill for Men (1934)
Caswell-Massey Jockey Club (vintage)
 
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May not get to try the mentioned Zegna Bergamot. Few n far between and commands some squilla!

Also get the soapy shavey creaminess in Monotheme Vetiver. Yep banging a drum for it. Proper good juice. This one is staying put as I'm fast shifting off my collection 😮
 

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The sudsy, soapy, foamy, and creamy shaving cream category has always been easy for me to like. It would make sense I'd have a great list of matching fragrances then, but I seem very content with just two that fill the description;
  • Fougère d'Argent - Tom Ford
  • Rive Gauche pour Homme - Yves Saint Laurent

However, with the BN community just being awesome - now there are several more for me to look into.
 

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Fougère d'Argent - Tom Ford

Found that one too smoky in the opening to give me that vibe, I thought Penhaligon's The Tragedy Of Lord George did a similar thing far better, but like many fragrances nowadays, vastly overpriced for what it is. Although judging by current trends good old Rive Gauche PH vintage can will be as pricey as the higher-end Penhaligon's soon, so I may as well just buy Lord George! :LOL:
 

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I've not tried Penhaligon's The Tragedy Of Lord George, but now I sure want to! I've read the same comment you made on Fougère d'Argent a lot. Also I read... spicy. But I guess that's how we all perceive different nuances in fragrances. I liken Fougère d'Argent more to a sick of Wrigley's spearmint chewing gum..... which somehow I also equate it to shaving cream :LOL:

Well ok... I just had to give a shot on the wrist and I do get the smokey you described. It's blended pretty smoothly in my opinion, really never picked up on it before. You got nose skills @_Nicolas_ 👊
 

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I liken Fougère d'Argent more to a sick of Wrigley's spearmint chewing gum..... which somehow I also equate it to shaving cream :LOL:

Yes I can actually understand that, there's a sort of synthetic fresh flavouring element to the Tom Ford, makes perfect sense! :)
 

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This is a topic that might be familiar to wet shavers, but I'm sure others can contribute to it as well.

I'm often struck by a certain 'sudsy' quality that can be found in some fragrances, where a perceptible foamy, creamy, airy texture is present when wearing them. This phenomenon is somewhat distinct from a 'note' - it's more of a texture, the body of the fragrance; it's how thick or soft it feels rather than how it smells.
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The sensation of this texture is similar to that of shaving cream, particularly the kind you have to lather with a brush. Yet this familiar creamy/sudsy/foamy sensation from a fragrance is achieved purely through smell rather than touch. Allowing for some association between fougere or fresh citrus aromas (common fragrances used in shaving products) and creamy textures due to wet shaving, I believe there is more to it than mere mental connections or familiarity; some fragrances have a creamy/sudsy texture and some don't and it doesn't hinge on the notes or smell.

To try to demonstrate this, there are plenty of aromatic fougeres that don't strike me as particularly sudsy or creamy. Some fougeres smell similar or even identical to the aromas you'll find in shaving products, but they lack the shaving cream/foam/lather texture. Taking Rive Gauche and Beau de Jour - two of the obvious reference points for this category of scent - only one of them has a true lather texture to my mind. The amber in Beau de Jour helps to round it, soften it, give it a thick, sweet body that balances out the sharper synthetic aromatic notes. It's not the best example of a sudsy fragrance yet the suds are there, particularly when you catch whiffs of it while wearing (digging the nose in produces something more vanillic/gourmand than fresh sudsy lather). Despite the highly evocative aromatic opening you get with Rive Gauche, as it dries, the base goes almost sporty. I do get something creamy from the guaiac wood (particularly when smelling up close) in the base of Rive Gauche but it's creamy without being airy or like a lather, more woody than soapy - such are the fine margins, at least to my nose, that define this sensation.

Other fragrances come to mind as well. Perhaps the best example I can think of is Zegna's Italian Bergamot. Several of Zegna's fragrances have a lovely citric-herbal creaminess, going back to at least Essenza di Zegna, but Italian Bergamot is the finest example I have tried. Again, the aroma (bergamot, rosemary, tonka) will be familiar to wet shavers but it's the texture, not the notes, that give make it so reminiscent of shaving cream. The bergamot note is Zegna's signature but the creamy heart (heavy on tonka) uses lots of light, creamy, and sweet gourmand notes that result in something like merringue. It's a little too sweet and heavy for me (it comes across as a Dandified aromatic scent when wearing, something veering on louche given the contrast between fresh/clean and sweet/creamy) but I can't deny it's not only a pleasnt aroma but an impressive olfactive-textural feat as well. Creed's Bois du Portugal has a similar sudsy quality to it, although I will say I've smelled batches where the suds are completely absent and I just smell synthetic woods, musk, and cloves instead.

If I were to break this phenomenon down in to smaller components, I would say the sensation is part sensory association with aromatic/citric notes and part textural body of the fragrance. One element of the latter 'texture' is how creamy and sweet it is - tonka (in particular) and vanilla notes often seem to be at play, but without being obviously gourmand, heavy, dark, amberwoody etc. It is sweet, perhaps even sugary at times, without being gloopy or saccharine. Other notes/aromas play their part as well - citruses and aromatic herbs in the top/heart are probably key to the aforementioned light and creamy gourmand notes smelling like shaving cream, as opposed to something else. Interestingly, I don't think ambroxan-heavy fragrances are a million miles away in terms of texture/feel/body, especially the ones that are sweet without being woody/heavy (some of the recent aquatic flankers like AdG EDP and Ralph Deep Blue, rather than the heavier/darker dark blue fragrances). Yet, obviously, the salty/fresh aroma goes in a totally different direction; they may be creamy, but they're rarely light, airy, or sudsy.

I also thought it was worth pointing out how few of the obvious 'shaving cream' fragrances - aromatic fougeres both old and new - actually have this quality. Houbigant's Fougere Royale has a metallic-creamy texture to it but it is by no means close to this specific sensation/feeling. One of the darlings of the fougere revival, Invasion Barbare, is a million miles away - its violet leaf base is sporty/fresh and metallic/unisex in the purple floral way and thin/sheer. There's nothing creamy or sudsy about it; nothing that conjures the sensation (or even the smell, if I'm being brutally honest) of shaving lather. Tom Ford's Fougere d'Argent is simply too heavy, the tonka too dark, gloopy, and sweet. Chanel's Platinum Egoiste has a subtle creamy accord but it is too subtle, and not airy enough; its complexity (the smoky vetiver note is as prominent to my nose) results in it coming across as less sudsy, more aftershave-like to me. Diptyque's Eau de Minthe is a bitter/sporty take on the fougere. It's more like deodorant or perhaps squirty foam in a can, rather than a whipped lather. One fragrance that surprised me was Villoresi's Wild Lavender: it starts out very traditional and vintage with its crisp herbal lavender and natural citruses (a true gentleman's aftershave of yesteryear, with the unfortunate associations with cleaning products) but the addition of a creamy (not heavy) tonka in the base hints at something sudsy and creamy in the base. When wearing, it reminded me of shaving with the older Trumper and TOBS creams.

Anyway, I thought this was worth jotting down to see if other people have noticed/experienced something similar. In particular, I'd be interested to hear from people who wet shave to see if they have found this sensation/texture/quality in certain scents, whether they enjoy it or not, and if they seek it out in a fragrance. Personally, I think it adds something to a fragrance - particularly one designed to evoke the more traditional aromas of men's grooming.


The best way to get the soapy scent-sation of shaving lather is to, well, use real shaving soap every time you shave. Wet shaving is nearly as much a hobby as fragrances. I have many different sets that fit my fragrance.

Aside from that, from a pure fragrance perspective, the most obvious shaving cream scents for me are Maison Margiella's "At the Barber's", which actually has a shaving cream note in it and it's very, very good. Another one that smells somewhat similar, almost like Maison Margiella took its DNA and made a flanker of "At the Barber's" is the decades earlier creation by Calvin Klein "Eternity". Eternity has the shaving cream feel in the scent and is a clear neo-barbershop modern creation. I would definitely own Eternity, however, I currently own Chanel "Platinum Egoiste", which smells strikingly like Eternity but adds a "metallic" note to it. I have a rather nice shaving set for Platinum Egoiste and I'm torn on the idea of having Eternity and Platinum Egoiste when they are both so similar.

I think Creed "Viking" has a shaving cream thing in the base somewhere. You also cannot beat Pinaud - Clubman aftershave to get that shaving scent. I also think Creed "Green Irish Tweed" dries down to reveal a very obvious soapy/creamy shaving cream vibe. Dior "Fahrenheit" has some creamy/fizzy properties. Another one that is somewhat "shaving in a bottle" is Costume National Homme which has all the shaving facets in it from the creamy/bubbly to the bracing medicinal aftershave toner notes. People never describe that about Costume National Homme, but it's obviously been there the whole time now that you have been told and then you smell it again, you will notice the obvious. Dominique Ropion is a master of medicinal notes. He's put medicinal tones in so many of his fragrances. I recently got Geranium Pour Monsieur and that is undeniably centered around clean grooming notes. I've smelled many other Dominique Ropion fragrances on test strips and they also make use of medicinal notes for "effect" (although not necessarily "soapy", rather "medicinal" and Ropion only has "soapy" in a few creations....I'm trying to separate the 'soapy' from the 'medicinal' as they are different effects that are often intertwined in some fragrances like Ropion's).

There are so many "soapy" scents. Maison Micallef "Osaito" also has a soapy tone in it and it's a beautiful floral-aquatic. Hednic recommended Osaito for me years ago in a thread where people recommended a fragrance based on your picture and I blind bought it and haven't regretted it.

Creed seems to have multiple of these "sudsy" scents as I just remembered "Original Vetiver", which is so OBVIOUSLY a soapy scent and was clearly meant to smell like a men's shaving scent as a play with vetiver. Original Vetiver is both "soapy" and "medicinal". There is clearly a "barbercide" note (the solution barbers put in a jar to disinfect their hair care tools) in Original Vetiver.

There are obvious men's grooming brands like Penhaligon's which make no mystery on their aim to be a grooming fragrance.
 

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Hi there, I am a wet shaver and I do enjoy traditional way of shaving since last decade. I do excatley get your point and I do also fine BDJ having that thickness that other fragrance's lack.

Maison Margiela at the barber's shop is a good fragrance it has a little of that feeling but might not be as strong as what are you looking for. Def not as strong as the Tom Ford counterpart. At the barber shop is just a good fragrance doens't add anything and in my opinion lack of character.

Eau de Minthe was disappointing to me too. It's basically mint + platinum egoiste.

I am going to give you an unexpected option. You can find what are you looking for in a fragrance that on papaer is not a 'barber shop scents' but to me instead is an higher lever of class barbershop's feeling and it has that creamy feeling you are finding: CHANEL - ALLURE HOMME.

Especially if you can find older formulation.If you combine along with its aftershave balms it's fantastic.
 

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I would say that there is a difference between a "barbershop" fragrance and a "shaving soap" fragrance.

"Barbershop" fragrances are classic like Azzaro PH, Rive Gauche, Aramis Tuscany etc

When it comes to a barbershop soapy and sudsy fragrance I can never move away from Taylor of Old Bond Street Mr Taylor. It's cheap and fairly strong for a cologne. They used to have a cologne called Shaving Shop and it was perfect but they discontinued it.

As a barber I use TOBS Mr Taylor and Sandalwood talc on my customers for that nice touch
 

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I would say that there is a difference between a "barbershop" fragrance and a "shaving soap" fragrance.
Yes, absolutely. I tried to convey this point in the title, as I know a lot of people consider the barbershop fougere to be a well known genre and so on. What I'm referring to is different: it's more about a texture that is found in (particularly modern) fragrances, a creamy yet light (not gloopy or heavy; airy yet smooth) quality to it that, when paired with aromatic notes, is highly reminiscent of shaving cream.

The best way to get the soapy scent-sation of shaving lather is to, well, use real shaving soap every time you shave. Wet shaving is nearly as much a hobby as fragrances. I have many different sets that fit my fragrance.
I agree. I have been wet shaving for about a decade now, so this observation comes from personal experience of traditional shaving soaps (TOBS etc) and the resulting lather. It's something slightly different to canned shaving cream, although I suppose the analogy/point I am making is easy enough to understand for anyone without personal experience of lathering with a brush and hard soap.
 

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Zaharoff Signature Pour Homme.
I bought a bottle last year and it hits a lot of the marks you mention. It has a shaving cream quality and air like the peaks of a loaded shaving brush. Also some sweet woody creaminess from the sandalwood. It hangs in the air really well.

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I would deinitely recommend sampling Signature though.

I almost always enjoy these creamy airy barbershop qualities in a fragrance when I come across them.
Thank you for your description here. I bought a decant of Signature after reading this. I think I'm in love. I'll give it a few wearings before buying a bottle, but hell, yes, this hits the mark for shaving cream character. I appreciate your comments in particular because, while I'd read reviews of this one, I'd thought of it as another niche fougere that would probably disappoint me (looking at you, Fougere Nobile). The particulars of your description, especially the sweet woody creaminess, sold me on getting a decant.

It's damn good stuff.
 

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Thank you for your description here. I bought a decant of Signature after reading this. I think I'm in love. I'll give it a few wearings before buying a bottle, but hell, yes, this hits the mark for shaving cream character. I appreciate your comments in particular because, while I'd read reviews of this one, I'd thought of it as another niche fougere that would probably disappoint me (looking at you, Fougere Nobile). The particulars of your description, especially the sweet woody creaminess, sold me on getting a decant.

It's damn good stuff.

Hey you’re most welcome. I’m glad it helped you discover something you enjoy. I was definitely impressed with Signature and it’s one of my favourite discoveries of the last 12 months. I’ve had my bottle since December last year and already hit nearly 30 wears in just these few months. (If you are interested I posted a full review not long ago which is more in-depth.) It’s quite unique to my nose and not a fougere in a true sense but man it smells great with its luxury barbershop accents. It really hits the mark. This renewed my optimism about modern fragrance especially when there are still people making great ones like this.
 

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Hey you’re most welcome. I’m glad it helped you discover something you enjoy. I was definitely impressed with Signature and it’s one of my favourite discoveries of the last 12 months. I’ve had my bottle since December last year and already hit nearly 30 wears in just these few months. (If you are interested I posted a full review not long ago which is more in-depth.) It’s quite unique to my nose and not a fougere in a true sense but man it smells great with its luxury barbershop accents. It really hits the mark. This renewed my optimism about modern fragrance especially when there are still people making great ones like this.
I'll check out the review for sure. As the afternoon has gone on, Signature just keeps taking me to a happy place. It's not a true fougere, but it doesn't have to be when it hits this way. I find facets of Or Black, Eau Sauvage Parfum (2017), Rive Gauche PH, and Caron Third Man in here, but it's definitely unique and not in any way derivative of these scents. I'll be wearing Signature again tomorrow, despite getting a dozen samples and splits in yesterday's mail, because I just want to keep smelling this.
 

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I think you're making a very good point about these textural qualities. I think perfumers seek not only a smell per se, but also try to give non-olfactory sensations. I don't know if this effect is simply by associations (smells that are associated with foods/products etc) or if there is something else.
ABSOLUTELY!

As much as I hate scratchy harsh scents, I LOVE creamy, sudsy, effervescent, fizzy scents.

I'm enjoying Kiehl's Original Musk today, and I'm tempted to pick up a bottle. It's a cheap gem with a wonderful sudsy soap meets shaving cream vibe. And hey, if you're thinking about picking up a bottle too, now is a great time. It's on sale right now at Kiehl's for $36 or Nordstrom for $40. Nice!
 

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Hey you’re most welcome. I’m glad it helped you discover something you enjoy. I was definitely impressed with Signature and it’s one of my favourite discoveries of the last 12 months. I’ve had my bottle since December last year and already hit nearly 30 wears in just these few months. (If you are interested I posted a full review not long ago which is more in-depth.) It’s quite unique to my nose and not a fougere in a true sense but man it smells great with its luxury barbershop accents. It really hits the mark. This renewed my optimism about modern fragrance especially when there are still people making great ones like this.
Based on your clear passion for this fragrance and your review I've ordered a decant of this to try.
 

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Based on your clear passion for this fragrance and your review I've ordered a decant of this to try.

Thanks Andy, yeah I am quite passionate about how much I like this one. I’ve just taken a quick glance over your wardrobe and I think you might like this. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. Let us know what you think.
 

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Well, I’ve ordered a bottle of Zaharoff Signature PH thanks to this thread. I burned through my decant quickly, and I found I was craving it between wearings. Very creamy, airy, luxurious.

I also got another decant of Beau de Jour. I’d dismissed this one as a Zino knockoff. However, coming back to it without trying to compare it to other things, it hits different. The base really does round out in a distinctive way, not like the patchouli-sandalwood duo in Zino (which I love). The lavender in the heart is also so creamy and rich. Still not sure I’ll wind up with a full bottle, but it seems better with each wearing.

Thinking about notes that help provide the shaving cream texture, I agree with the mentions of labdanum, tonka, herbs, and lavender. I’d add nutmeg and clove to that list, particularly in conjunction with lavender. These spices seem to lift lavender and creamy notes of the skin in a way that helps them hang in the air like shaving cream.

I have quite a list of additional scents to sample thanks to this thread. Zegna Italian Bergamot is in my crosshairs next.
 
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