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Are these 'vintages' always inherently better?
Or is it just nostalgia and memories?
You are taking my somewhat lighthearted post a bit too literally in your interpretation Bigs. You also have to admit that the collector mentality is somewhat of an obsessive or compulsive mentality in addition to that. Especially when it concerns spending a good deal of money looking for that certain comic book or baseball card or vintage of wine. We know what we want or what we are looking for, and only want to spend money if its the real deal!!
It's not just you - I can't remember how many times people use such language (and only in the vintage context, IIRC), which really reflects back upon themselves, since they can't "read minds." I'll be addressing this in an upcoming blog post, for those interested.
No, I meant it to be somewhat of fun and passion of driving yourself crazy along with frustration in trying to authenticate and date many past fragrances, since there are various forms of packaging and releases in the same periods or lack of batch codes on bottles in many cases too.
No need to interpret it as a personal attack.
The short/easy answer is that if scents are more or less an olfactory blur to you, then it probably doesn't matter. If, however, you smell a scent and say things like, "wow, that's a nice yet subtle sandalwood note," many if not most of the reformulations (of let's say pre-1995 vintage) will likely disappoint you.
Those who can't smell the difference appear to get irritated that such threads exist, which makes no sense to me.
You seem to be taking a lot of this too literally and very personally.
Take your own advice and stop telling other people what they think. Sure, feelings of frustration may not apply to your thought processes, but it may to others. Nobody is telling you what you think. It's more how people who take any hobby seriously are perceived by those outside the hobby. And yes, even baseball cards or wine.
Rather than going on about the impossibility of mind reading, why not put yourself in their shoes and consider how such people may be perceived. Then consider how this may be amplified by communication using this imperfect medium. This cuts both ways. Perhaps both sides are feeling persecuted.
Plenty of people would regard having even a small perfume collection weird or "crazy". There are people who regard some of the rigorous processes I have to apply in my work as crazy or obsessive. It's just a matter of perspectives and values. No need to interpret it as a personal attack. It creeps into hysteria when people who value these things start crapping in threads where someone asks about a scent but the vintage collector makes it sound like it's worthless unless they seek out the vintage. They could at least give a comparison of the differences between vintage and current formulations. For the record, my past references to hysteria were to some statements that get posted when people initially suspect reformulations and overstate or exaggerate perceived changes, not to thorough due diligence when collecting known vintages.
I would say the same thing about people who crap on a thread about a designer fragrance with statements to the effect that they shouldn't bother with the designer and stick to niche.
So you are back to telling someone he is overly emotional? Geez - I give up here, at this point. LOL. But my blog post is forthcoming!
After being able to compare more vintages to reformulations, I don't see a winner and a loser.
Why should I go nuts over an older formula of this very fragrance? At least for me, there is no need to. And also because I'm not a fan of too much oakmoss and super dense cologne punching everyone. That's me, of course.
I'm very happy to see they continue making classics under modern reforms. If people started to boycott these fragrances because they're not the same as the early ones, these companies would descontinue them. And that would make me and many others very angry.
It's important not to bring in another issue which serves to obfuscate the discussion in favor of the "pro reformulation" side of things. That is, I'd be the first to mention that I used to wear vintage more often, and that some vintage I don't like as much as I used to, whereas others I like more. This, however, has nothing to do with my perception of the "quality" of the scent. Now sometimes I don't feel the need to wear a quality scent, and I often reach for a "super cheapo," but if I'm in the mood for vintage Zino, for example, that's what I want. I have no interest in wearing what I believe to be reformulated Zino, ever. Others can't detect any difference, or claim it is negligible. That's fine, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what I want to buy or wear. And that's why my first response referenced how you perceive and appreciate these concoctions - that is what matters, and nobody can read your mind, so the best you can do is read the relevant information online and try to make the right decision (but it will only be the right decision for you, not necessarily for anyone else).
And I have found that vintage holds up incredibly well over the decades. If your experience is different and that has led you to avoid vintage, I applaud your strong decision-making qualities, but again, that has nothing to do with my decisions in this context. If you don't like it when others talk about how much they like their vintage scents, then just ignore them - why post something that suggests you think they are deluded, lying, or wasting their time? It's a hobby, and the internet provides places like BN to share opinions and information, so of course there are going to be threads on the subject! I remember when I investigated the world of fine art works on paper, some people thought pop art was "garbage" and laughed at the prices, yet that would have been a much better investment than something like op art or minimalism, that's for sure (generally-speaking). And with scents, most are not trying to "cash in," but just seeking out what they consider to be the best scents ever made. Some people might eat any pizza that put in front of them, whereas others only want "quality" pizza, and even if the restaurant is out of anchovies, and they'd really prefer it that way, they are not going to eat the "garbage" pizza because that restaurant didn't run out of anchovies. LOL. So, it may be true that top notes are sometimes "messed up" (which is irrelevant to me) or that base notes have shifted slightly, because they are still head and shoulders above everything else! Again, if you think that's not the case, then go ahead and be happy with your decision, but that has nothing to do with me.
And as to money being no object if you want to buy vintage, exactly where are you looking for them? I've got so many great vintage deals, just on ebay alone, that I wouldn't want to think about putting a list of those together! Even if you pay "high" prices," how do they compare to the prices being asked at the local dept. store for the usual generic/synthetic dreck? There are only a small number that sell for "big bucks" in vintage: PPH, Derby, Egoiste Cologne Concentree. Others with prices that high are usually an ebay seller's wishful thinking, as I have waited for great deals on many of those and was rewarded. It's more an issue of patience with probably at least 90% vintage, if you want to pay at current dept. store prices or lower, in my experience.
If you don't care about vintage at all then these threads are irrelevant to you, so I'm not sure why you waste your time on them! I'm certainly not one to tell people that if they don't like vintage they are somehow a lesser person.
I have been reading more and more and watching reviews etc. and it seems some people will say that the juice "used to be fantastic in 1998, but the new formulation sucks." and I'm using 1998 as an example. So my question is, is there any validity to this? I understand opinions are subjective, but I'm thinking like a new guy like me, what am I supposed to do? just not buy any cologne that was reformulated? Or just look for all "pre-reformulation" bottles? I tried Joop! Homme, many people on different sites said that it was reformulated and now doesn't have the projection or lasting power it used to. Well my brand new bottle arrived and I happen to like the scent, one spray lasts me FOREVER and projection is marvelous. So either I got a pre-reformulation bottle, or I got a "magic" bottle that happened to be okay, or the people saying this don't know what they are talking about. Also true, is I never smelled an old bottle of the stuff, so maybe compared to the old stuff this stuff is weak. I just can't believe someone saying what I have is weak compared to anything. Just looking for ideas and opinions here. Thanks!