Pure hedione as a fragrance?

[santeripe]

I can't find a single person selling a pure hedione spray online. It's always mixed with Iso-E Super, ambroxan or something else. Is it really such a terrible idea, that not a single person has thought to do it? Have any of you tried it? There's some surprising uniqueness factor here, as pure hedione has seemingly never been commercialized like pure Iso-E or ambroxan.

As a fan of transparent fragrances, I'm thinking about buying some high-CIS hedione to wear on its own. I think I'll be able to smell it, because I very clearly smell and love the breezy jasmine aspect of BR540. It's like half paradisone. Do you guys have any tips for a non-perfumer on how to handle and wear high-CIS hedione? Or the best places of purchase for someone living in Finland? I think there's some unique minimalist "signature" potential here

 

[Big L]

I am pretty sure you will be able to smell it. Most people can even smell the standard version. With the high Cis, I believe no has any problems. Will you enjoy wearing it on its own? I have no idea, give it a try and come back to tell us.

There are many suppliers for small quantities, and I believe the easiest for you will be to source it from De Hekserij in the Netherlands: https://www.hekserij.nl/shop/parfum-geur/geurstoffen/hedione-hc-fir/

Good luck on your quest!

 

[santeripe]

I am pretty sure you will be able to smell it. Most people can even smell the standard version. With the high Cis, I believe no has any problems. Will you enjoy wearing it on its own? I have no idea, give it a try and come back to tell us.

There are many suppliers for small quantities, and I believe the easiest for you will be to source it from De Hekserij in the Netherlands: https://www.hekserij.nl/shop/parfum-geur/geurstoffen/hedione-hc-fir/

Good luck on your quest!

Thank you so much, those rates are way cheaper for Finland than Pellwall! No way I would've found that site without your link.

People say that high-CIS is more citric and regular is more floral fresh. So I think I'm gonna go for the regular kind. It's apparently also more stable. Strength isn't an issue, as I'm getting 250ml undiluted lol

 

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[mnitabach]

I am pretty sure you will be able to smell it. Most people can even smell the standard version. With the high Cis, I believe no has any problems. Will you enjoy wearing it on its own? I have no idea, give it a try and come back to tell us.

There are many suppliers for small quantities, and I believe the easiest for you will be to source it from De Hekserij in the Netherlands: https://www.hekserij.nl/shop/parfum-geur/geurstoffen/hedione-hc-fir/

Good luck on your quest!

I can only just barely smell hedione, either regular or high-cis (altho the latter slightly better), on its own, but definitely perceive strongish effects in blends.

 

[Big L]

I can only just barely smell hedione, either regular or high-cis (altho the latter slightly better), on its own, but definitely perceive strongish effects in blends.

Sorry, I guess I went too far with that claim then. (I thought I remembered you too have mentioned that you can't smell hedione on its own, but have no problem with the high-cis.)

 

[mnitabach]

Sorry, I guess I went too far with that claim then. (I thought I remembered you too have mentioned that you can't smell hedione on its own, but have no problem with the high-cis.)

I mean I can smell high-cis without a problem, but it is very faint. If I'm not mistaken, Paul K reported that it took him years to learn to smell hedione on its own?

 

[Big L]

If I'm not mistaken, Paul K reported that it took him years to learn to smell hedione on its own?

Sounds familiar... I guess I went too far, extrapolating my own experience. I don't have any true statistics about that.

 

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Welcome in the Hedione-Club, Santeripe! - Hedione or Hedione HC (Firmenich; "Kharismal" is IFF product, which may smell a bit differnt) is in my own experience a lovely molecule on its own (appropriately diluted in EtOH) for sure. But as already mentioned, it's important to be aware of the airy-transparent and somehow impalpable character of Hedione. I'm not going to try to describe the scent of Hedione, because it would be pointless for you. Be prepared - in terms of perceptibility that Hedione may appear to you even weaker than Iso-E or Ambroxan, on its own, it's more like a gentle breeze. And this is exactly what I really like. Over the decades I got a bit tired wearing 'true' or 'real' perfumes. So, Hedione is just perfect for me., if I want to perfume myself at all. Another positive aspect (for me): you're definitely never going to annoy somebody with your Hedione EdT!

I'd recommend to buy Hedione as well as Hedione HC, just to make your own experience. You can also combine both. - Good luck & enjoy!

(Please note that Hedione HC (and other high cis versions) should be kept cool (storage) and they are not as stable as the regular versions.)

 

[mnitabach]

Interesting that you compare scent intensity of hedione to IES, as I too perceive hedione less intensely than IES. Yet in my blending experiments, I find too much hedione has much more "crushing" effects on the rest of the fragrance than too much IES.

 

[Big L]

Interesting that you compare scent intensity of hedione to IES, as I too perceive hedione less intensely than IES. Yet in my blending experiments, I find too much hedione has much more "crushing" effects on the rest of the fragrance than too much IES.

Although being able to smell hedione very well on its own, I defiantly agree with this claim. Using too much Iso E super, for me, makes its own scent too noticeable (as is with many other ACs) but not "crushing" everything else down to into a too "lovely" soup, as too much hedione does.

 

[Deleted member 26328009]

Well, in this regard (crushing into a lovely soup), Hedione behaves like a musk material.

 

[mnitabach]

Although being able to smell hedione very well on its own, I defiantly agree with this claim. Using too much Iso E super, for me, makes its own scent too noticeable (as is with many other ACs) but not "crushing" everything else down to into a too "lovely" soup, as too much hedione does.

In an experiment yesterday, I started with a good-performing formula with 75 IES & 50 hedione HC. Switching to 50 IES & 75 hedione HC pureed everything into, as you say, soup.

 

[Deleted member 26328009]

Mike & Big L: very useful and important information, should be read as a general warning: don't use Hedione as solvent!

 

[Big L]

Well, in this regard (crushing into a lovely soup), Hedione behaves like a musk material.

Yes, true, the effect I am referring to is similar to that of some musks.

 

[santeripe]

Welcome in the Hedione-Club, Santeripe! - Hedione or Hedione HC (Firmenich; "Kharismal" is IFF product, which may smell a bit differnt) is in my own experience a lovely molecule on its own (appropriately diluted in EtOH) for sure. But as already mentioned, it's important to be aware of the airy-transparent and somehow impalpable character of Hedione. I'm not going to try to describe the scent of Hedione, because it would be pointless for you. Be prepared - in terms of perceptibility that Hedione may appear to you even weaker than Iso-E or Ambroxan, on its own, it's more like a gentle breeze. And this is exactly what I really like. Over the decades I got a bit tired wearing 'true' or 'real' perfumes. So, Hedione is just perfect for me., if I want to perfume myself at all. Another positive aspect (for me): you're definitely never going to annoy somebody with your Hedione EdT!

Thank you, that's exactly what I'm looking for! Iso-E is very perceptible for me. On some days I could go for something even lighter. I bought Firmenich hedione, two 50ml bottles, an atomizer, a cap, two droppers, and a funnel. Denatured alcohol isn't sold at Hekserij. But I can easily get 1000ml for a couple euros at a local store here in Finland.

And to fullfill another sick and twisted fantasy of mine, I also got 10 grams of ethyl maltol powder to experiment. I'm going to try spiking hedione with cotton candy. Like BR540, but even more minimalistic. Or just wear the jammy sweetness on its own. Geza Schöen is probably getting shivers without even reading this.

 

[Big L]

Ethyl maltol will not disappoint you, although it is quite the opposite of transparent. Just make sure not to use too much. Start maybe with something like 10mg to 100ml alcohol. I was quite obsessed with overdosing a combination of ethyl maltol and ambrox when I started playing around with ACs.

 

[polysom]

I don't see a reason why experimenting with a pure hedione spray would be a bad idea. You only can discover things by experimenting. For me, I don't smell hedione (HC) from the bottle or on paper, but I can smell it nicely if applied on skin. I've tried 5% on skin and it was very nice. But it does not last very long, just a few hours. But for Hedione (HC) its not so much about the "smell" as such, more interesting is the activation of the pheromone receptor VN1R1. Which already works in minimal concentrations.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053811915002116

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnbeh.2017.00079/full

 

[Big L]

Thank you for the article links!

 

[santeripe]

I updated my order to add allyl amyl glycolate (pineapple), ethyl butyrate (pineapple), sweet orange EO, DPG to pre-dilute ethyl maltol, and some small test bottles. Everything came out to less than an average fragrance. I know exactly what I like/dislike, so I think these are the ingredients for a signature! Airy, fruity, sweet, fresh. I'll update you guys when I get my materials and get to blending