my raspberry accord gives my shortness of breath when i inhale!!

[salmanalfatih56]

yesterday, I was working on a raspberry accord using combination of fructone, hedione, phenyl ethyl alcohol, small dose of ethyl methylphenyl glycidate (50% in dep), small dose of gamma undecalactone (10% in dep), small dose of alpha ionone (25% in dep), small dose of phenoxy ethyl isobutyrate (10% in dpg) , small dose of raspberry ketone (50% in dpg), small dose of acetonitrile aka methyl cyanide, small dose of ethyl maltol (20% dilution in phenyl ethyl alcohol), small dose of ethyl vanillin (10% in pg) and as a result i got a very sweet raspberry syrup scent, but why when I inhale, I get a shortness of breath effect?

 

[David Ruskin]

Why on earth do you want to use acetonitrile?

 

[PeeWee678]

You could try leaving out the methyl cyanide and try again. I guess.
You do have a thing with raspberry accords and prohibited or toxic materials, don't you?

The symptoms, which do not usually appear for several hours after the exposure, include breathing difficulties, slow pulse rate, nausea, and vomiting. Convulsions and coma can occur in serious cases, followed by death from respiratory failure.

https://basenotes.com/threads/my-ra...wrists-rashes-when-exposed-to-the-sun.532646/

https://basenotes.com/threads/raspberry-accord-like-raspberry-cough-syrup.532975/#post-5817774

 

[salmanalfatih56]

Why on earth do you want to use acetonitrile?

i only experiment

 

[Capybaron]

i only experiment

I wonder, though, whether you should do so with quite toxic chemicals.

Because, dunno, as weird as it might seem to use such a toxic substance in the first place, it seems weirder, upon encountering effects which even wikipedia lists as possible side effects for this substance, to ask an online community why you might suffer those, instead of, let´s say, leaving out this substance from your blend.
(Irregardless whether this substance actually causes the shortness of breath you experience.)


Stop using a chemical which can cause breathing problems and try again whether you experience... breathing problems.

If the problem persists, smell each chemical in isolation to pin-point which chemical causes this for you.

Sorry if that sounded harsh, but you´ve apparently encountered similiar problems before and have been told to, and how to, avoid certain chemicals- and i think, considering this, a rather frank tone is appropiate.

 

[ourmess]

You keep on repeatedly making fragrances with banned materials, or with restricted materials far beyond their safe levels, then coming here and to Reddit asking for help when your hurt yourself.

The answer is: STOP DOING THAT

Follow IFRA restrictions until you know what you're doing.

 

[jsweet]

Because, dunno, as weird as it might seem to use such a toxic substance in the first place, it seems weirder, upon encountering effects which even wikipedia lists as possible side effects for this substance, to ask an online community why you might suffer those, instead of, let´s say, leaving out this substance from your blend.
(Irregardless whether this substance actually causes the shortness of breath you experience.)

And it's even weirder to do this regularly, posting over and over again about supposed maladies you have suffered from using restricted materials.

 

[Redneck Perfumisto]

And it's even weirder to do this regularly, posting over and over again about supposed maladies you have suffered from using restricted materials.

Thank you. A very important observation.

The psy-op nature of this behavior matches that of Monsieur Allergy Addiction Perfumery Student. Both allergy and toxicity are the most political aspects of perfumery. Advocacy groups, governments, NGOs, and corporations all use online psy-ops now. Attribution can be difficult, and often can only guess at origination by loose data like "psychological outcome plus cui bono." Psy-op forum members are a thing in almost all other areas of discussion affected by politics. There may need to be a full-on psy-op policy at Basenotes.

 

[jsweet]

psy-op

This implies that the messaging is advancing the interests of a nation-state. I think trolling might be a more accurate way to put it.

 

[Redneck Perfumisto]

This implies that the messaging is advancing the interests of a nation-state. I think trolling might be a more accurate way to put it.

Trolling is always how it looks where the rubber meets the road. Up-leveling responsibility in a reasoned fashion tends to have more impact on curtailing the behavior, in my experience.

I left it much broader than nation-state for a reason. Like-minded players can vary from enthusiastic loners (grassroots trolls), often organized or incentivized (astroturf), to mid-level entities that organize, to bigger entities that fund action (campaigns). "Influencers" are often just watered weeds and native plants.

My top suspect right now would be a dark project by pro-regulatory activist groups with diverse funding, but possibly with some stimulus for a more specific online influence project by some player. This would be especially true if similar accounts are popping up on other forums.

I'm not DIY, but I'm intimately involved in science discussions and the massive psy-op wars taking place there. This smells the same, so to speak! 😜

 

[RomanB]

Where is the guy from the recent post about poppers when he is needed so much?!

 

[ourmess]

My top suspect right now would be a dark project by pro-regulatory activist groups with diverse funding, but possibly with some stimulus for a more specific online influence project by some player.

My top suspect is simply that the poster is just stubbornly, willfully ignorant. Hanlon's Razor in full effect.

 

[Capybaron]

My top suspect is simply that the poster is just stubbornly, willfully ignorant. Hanlon's Razor in full effect.

Agreed.
If somebody wanted to discredit perfumery there would be better ways to do so than posting in a forum specifically for enthusiasts and by directly listing toxic materials/matierals in unsafe amounts and getting told that those shouldn´t and aren´t used in perfumery (in those amounts.)

 

[David Ruskin]

Ah, so much conspiracy , so many conspiracy theories. Obviously I am too innocent to survive in such a corupt and dangerous world. What's a poor boy to do? Sing in a Rock 'n' Roll band? Don't people have better things to do with their lives?

 

[Redneck Perfumisto]

Agreed.
If somebody wanted to discredit perfumery there would be better ways to do so than posting in a forum specifically for enthusiasts and by directly listing toxic materials/matierals in unsafe amounts and getting told that those shouldn´t and aren´t used in perfumery (in those amounts.)

Absolutely! Discrediting perfumery is clearly an overly broad motive, and thus not a likely one. Thus why I never stated it - and for a reason.

One way to look at stimulus-reaction posting is that it's a form of training. What are DIY perfumers being trained to do? What is the audience being trained to think? It's worth thinking about.

Online influence is amazingly cheap. And it works! That's why I posted what I did.

 

[Redneck Perfumisto]

Ah, so much conspiracy , so many conspiracy theories. Obviously I am too innocent to survive in such a corupt and dangerous world. What's a poor boy to do? Sing in a Rock 'n' Roll band? Don't people have better things to do with their lives?

Good suggestion! We need an update on this anthem! 🤩

 

[Redneck Perfumisto]

My top suspect is simply that the poster is just stubbornly, willfully ignorant. Hanlon's Razor in full effect.

Hanlon's Razor works for this foolish cowboy, too! 😉

 

[jfrater]

Where is the guy from the recent post about poppers when he is needed so much?!

At the risk of being crass, I think we can all guess where he is right now!

 

[jfrater]

Absolutely! Discrediting perfumery is clearly an overly broad motive, and thus not a likely one. Thus why I never stated it - and for a reason.

One way to look at stimulus-reaction posting is that it's a form of training. What are DIY perfumers being trained to do? What is the audience being trained to think? It's worth thinking about.

Online influence is amazingly cheap. And it works! That's why I posted what I did.

Dare I mention the fact that Firmenich, Givaudan, Symrise and IFF all had dawn raids by law enforcement recently?

 

[David Ruskin]

Dare I mention the fact that Firmenich, Givaudan, Symrise and IFF all had dawn raids by law enforcement recently?

Surely that was because of alleged financial irregularities, not because they were flogging proven poisons to an unsuspecting public.