wesleycamp
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Hi Everyone,
I'm going to try and ask about this topic without triggering anyone... hard to do in these forums!! I have read through several threads and I feel like people are trying to ask these questions, but they're using the wrong language and getting scolded for it... so here goes!
I'm new to being a hobby perfumer. That said, I don't expect instant gratification and I understand that learning perfumery is a lifelong endeavor. The thing is, I prefer perfume oils over alcohol-based fragrances (I just like the way the smell is more for my own enjoyment and doesn't fill the room, and it lacks the intense aroma or projection from a lot of commercial perfumes). Some of my favorites, for example, are Persian Garden, White Ginger & Egyptian Musk by Kuuma Made, Nemat Amber, Love by Auric Blends, Ambre Blends Essence, etc. A lot of these are considered "skin scents" or "your skin but better." To me, wearing them just makes me feel good and I enjoy the subtle fragrance - especially ones that have some staying power.
I AM NOT trying to blend cheap pre-made "fragrance oils" and I'm not trying to waste anyone's time asking about combining oil and alcohol - LOL at some of the posts I've read! I'm also not trying to recreate an existing fragrance.
What I AM trying to do is create some nice oil perfumes... that is, a blend of aromachemicals and absolutes/EOs in a carrier oil like fractionated coconut (or similar carriers like jojoba, DPG, etc.) rather than perfumer's alcohol. There is very little information out there, however, as to how to create a fragrance in this way that has the olfactory "oomph" that some of the available fragrances offer. Kuumba Made's Egyptian Musk, for instance, has a pronounced fresh sweet scent right out of the bottle, and lasts several hours (even days on clothing). I understand they still use musk ketone, which is something I have not experimented with yet because it seems to come with some negative health effects. But I wonder, what are some of the aroma compounds that can have this effect in an oil carrier?
One thing I've noticed when working with oil carrier is that the aroma compounds don't behave the way they would in alcohol (obviously
). A lot of the molecules need the diffusion from the alcohol to really impact the scent the way they're supposed to. In oil carrier, some require using in super high concentration to be noticeable (that can't be good for skin). I think the most ideal molecules for making fragrance this way would have a strong, pleasant fragrance on their own... like dihydro myrcenol. That way, only a minimal amount needs to be used to impact the aroma, and I can keep my carrier-to-concentrate ratio at a skin-safe level.
Does anyone have suggestions for other aromachemicals (or specific accords or bases, or naturals) to try out? Soft, sweet, floral, musky, powdery, woodsy, mysterious, etc... but powerful enough to still shine through after dilution in oil carrier. I LOVE ambroxan - I could wear ambroxan 10% (in DPG) ON ITS OWN and be perfectly happy (probably also not the best for skin lol). Obviously dihydro myrcenol because it's super strong and provides a "fresh" element that I enjoy. It has a great impact even as low at .05%. Neryl acetate and methyl ionone alpha extra are nice as well. What are some other molecules I should be studying?
Thanks everyone in advance!
I'm going to try and ask about this topic without triggering anyone... hard to do in these forums!! I have read through several threads and I feel like people are trying to ask these questions, but they're using the wrong language and getting scolded for it... so here goes!
I'm new to being a hobby perfumer. That said, I don't expect instant gratification and I understand that learning perfumery is a lifelong endeavor. The thing is, I prefer perfume oils over alcohol-based fragrances (I just like the way the smell is more for my own enjoyment and doesn't fill the room, and it lacks the intense aroma or projection from a lot of commercial perfumes). Some of my favorites, for example, are Persian Garden, White Ginger & Egyptian Musk by Kuuma Made, Nemat Amber, Love by Auric Blends, Ambre Blends Essence, etc. A lot of these are considered "skin scents" or "your skin but better." To me, wearing them just makes me feel good and I enjoy the subtle fragrance - especially ones that have some staying power.
I AM NOT trying to blend cheap pre-made "fragrance oils" and I'm not trying to waste anyone's time asking about combining oil and alcohol - LOL at some of the posts I've read! I'm also not trying to recreate an existing fragrance.
What I AM trying to do is create some nice oil perfumes... that is, a blend of aromachemicals and absolutes/EOs in a carrier oil like fractionated coconut (or similar carriers like jojoba, DPG, etc.) rather than perfumer's alcohol. There is very little information out there, however, as to how to create a fragrance in this way that has the olfactory "oomph" that some of the available fragrances offer. Kuumba Made's Egyptian Musk, for instance, has a pronounced fresh sweet scent right out of the bottle, and lasts several hours (even days on clothing). I understand they still use musk ketone, which is something I have not experimented with yet because it seems to come with some negative health effects. But I wonder, what are some of the aroma compounds that can have this effect in an oil carrier?
One thing I've noticed when working with oil carrier is that the aroma compounds don't behave the way they would in alcohol (obviously
Does anyone have suggestions for other aromachemicals (or specific accords or bases, or naturals) to try out? Soft, sweet, floral, musky, powdery, woodsy, mysterious, etc... but powerful enough to still shine through after dilution in oil carrier. I LOVE ambroxan - I could wear ambroxan 10% (in DPG) ON ITS OWN and be perfectly happy (probably also not the best for skin lol). Obviously dihydro myrcenol because it's super strong and provides a "fresh" element that I enjoy. It has a great impact even as low at .05%. Neryl acetate and methyl ionone alpha extra are nice as well. What are some other molecules I should be studying?
Thanks everyone in advance!
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