Lets Talk Watches

[epapsiou]

The ship of Theseus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

You guys bring up an interesting topic. What is original?
Using the Ferrari analogy, if I bought a new one and over time replaced parts from dealership do I still have a Ferrari? Most will say yes.
If instead I went a generic mechanic and used generic parts, do I still have a Ferrari? Some may say no.
I guess same with watches. What defines a watch ? Parts inside, strap, case, or a combination thereof.

I'm in the "abomination" crowd due to this statement "I just bought a Patek and a Rolex". You didn't buy a Patek or a Rolex. Likewise, putting some old Ferrari engine parts in a Pontiac Fiero and slapping a horse emblem on the hood doesn't mean you bought a Ferrari either.

If you like what you bought, that's great, but trying to pass them off as the real deal is just wrong.

The Patek and Rolex pocket watches are all original parts. The only added parts are the wristwatch attachments.

 

[Pallas Athena]

I read and understand it. I am very familiar with the subject. Having collected watches for decades, I've watched (pun intended) the subject of these watches from the Ukraine come over and over on the watchuseek, rolex, and omega forums.

If you really did understand you wouldn't have made that Ferrari comparison. Do you really think changing a chain to a wristband renders the watch abominable and 'not the real deal'?

The only "unoriginal" parts are the strap and 'hinges' (or whatever it's called) it's attached to. It's like saying my Bentley is fake and abominable because I changed the leather on the seats.

 

[bklow]

If you really did understand you wouldn't have made that Ferrari comparison. Do you really think changing a chain to a wristband renders the watch abominable and 'not the real deal'?

The only "unoriginal" parts are the strap and 'hinges' (or whatever it's called) it's attached to. It's like saying my Bentley is fake and abominable because I changed the leather on the seats.

I’m guessing you don’t understand that they didn’t take a complete Patek pocket watch and weld lugs onto it so they could attach a strap to it. They never had the complete pocket watch. They just take part of an old movement and put them in cheap newly made wristwatch cases that are large enough to fit a pocket watch movement. It not even a pocket watch case. They even admit that the dials aren’t original. They are fake reproduction dials. You can literally go on eBay right now and see them for yourself. If they had the original pocket watch, they could sell it for 4x the price of these wristwatches they are creating.

 

[Diddy]

If you really did understand you wouldn't have made that Ferrari comparison. Do you really think changing a chain to a wristband renders the watch abominable and 'not the real deal'?

The only "unoriginal" parts are the strap and 'hinges' (or whatever it's called) it's attached to. It's like saying my Bentley is fake and abominable because I changed the leather on the seats.

Just curious... Why did you change the leather on the seats on your Bentley? I find them to be pretty nice as is. Cheers

 

[Diddy]

Re: Post A Picture of Your Scents

Oris is a nice brand. Sometimes watches like yours pictured have too much going on and are too close for me to easily tell time. That's a big no no for me. A watch has to be able to do its primary job well. Yours is easily legible the way the hands are colored. And I like that Oris puts a full length hand on the watch instead of shorties. Very nice watch!

 

[Diddy]

My daily driver. Won't win a popularity contest, but I like it. particularly the red strip that replaces the traditional running seconds on the left

My previous comment was towards the above post. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[GioB89]

Any brand suggestions under 150$?

 

[bklow]

Any brand suggestions under 150$?

Seiko & Citizen

 

[Ken_Russell]

Any brand suggestions under 150$?

Possibly also Doxa and Tissot at the upper budget limit, if willing to either accept a quartz mechanism at normal retail prices or wait for a massive bargain and/or a vintage special offer for their mechanical/automatic models

 

[Pallas Athena]

I’m guessing you don’t understand that they didn’t take a complete Patek pocket watch and weld lugs onto it so they could attach a strap to it. They never had the complete pocket watch. They just take part of an old movement and put them in cheap newly made wristwatch cases that are large enough to fit a pocket watch movement. It not even a pocket watch case. They even admit that the dials aren’t original. They are fake reproduction dials. You can literally go on eBay right now and see them for yourself. If they had the original pocket watch, they could sell it for 4x the price of these wristwatches they are creating.

Edit: I hope you do know you accuse stuigi of lying, just pointing out the implications.

I'm guessing you just can't read.
"The Patek and Rolex pocket watches are all original parts. The only added parts are the wristwatch attachments."

These watches do exist. They are not sold in Walmart though. Just google it. Why do we even have this discussion?

 

[bklow]

Edit: I hope you do know you accuse stuigi of lying, just pointing out the implications.

I'm guessing you just can't read.
"The Patek and Rolex pocket watches are all original parts. The only added parts are the wristwatch attachments."

These watches do exist. They are not sold in Walmart though. Just google it. Why do we even have this discussion?

If he has a 100% all original Patek Philippe pocket watch that has the original case, original dial, and all original movement parts and the only thing done to it was strap lugs were welded to the sides of the case so a strap could be added, then my apologies. The pictures he said he is going to post will easily clear that up. I know those types of watches do exist but they are very rarely done to an all original Patek or Rolex because it greatly devalues the collectible pocket watch.

Here is a link to what I am talking about:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=marriage+watch

These are the well known controversial "marriage" watches that are being produced in the Ukraine and have been discussed on the watch forums for years. I assumed we are talking about these because there is no controversy about the type you are talking about.

 

[stuigi]

Look at the Hebdomas for example in the middle of the page. It states original everything. There are many like this.

 

[bklow]

Look at the Hebdomas for example in the middle of the page. It states original everything. There are many like this.

Cool, got a link to the business you bought the Patek & Rolex from? I'm interested in what they have.

 

[FiveoaksBouquet]

Somehow I accidentally got unsubscribed from this thread for months and missed a lot of beautiful watches. Congrats everyone. It’s nice to see the watches themselves and the appreciation.

A while back at a yard sale I found a 1940s “Nameton” lady’s watch and it is being serviced now. (Anyone ever hear of Nameton?) Technician says the works are good quality. I like wearing vintage men’s watches and also these tiny women’s dress watches. They’re not very popular but I love them!

 

[stuigi]

Beautiful very deco piece!

 

[FiveoaksBouquet]

Beautiful very deco piece!

Thank you, stuigi!

 

[soaking.fused]

Re: Post A Picture of Your Scents

Diver

Chronograph

 

[hednic]

Re: Post A Picture of Your Scents

Diver

Chronograph

Very nice! Are those 18 White Gold, Platinum or Stainless?

 

[soaking.fused]

Very nice! Are those 18 White Gold, Platinum or Stainless?

Much appreciated.

With regards to the 114060 (Sub), it’s a 904L Stainless Steel case. But, it does feature 18ct White Gold surrounds, hands and needle.

 

[epapsiou]

I think I am more interested in your tube amplifier

Much appreciated.

With regards to the 114060 (Sub), it’s a 904L Stainless Steel case. But, it does feature 18ct White Gold surrounds, hands and needle.

Got this as birthday gift.