Learn the scientific foundations of perfumery and become extremely better in short time - books to read and learn from

[dreaming_jewels]

I'm interested in hearing more about using existing formulas to create fragrances.
I've been using some patent formulas and iterating from there. My goal is to learn material proportions and put together something that smells nice. I'm not interested in making a perfect duplicate, I want to save that for after my nose has developed and want to replicate something without having a formula.

I've also been making original formulas, which have improved over time, but I still very much prefer the results from the patents.

In your opinion, what are the upsides and downsides to working through classics (Shalimar, Fahrenheit, Calèche) using formulas found on the internet?

 

[mnitabach]

I'm interested in hearing more about using existing formulas to create fragrances.
I've been using some patent formulas and iterating from there. My goal is to learn material proportions and put together something that smells nice. I'm not interested in making a perfect duplicate, I want to save that for after my nose has developed and want to replicate something without having a formula.

I've also been making original formulas, which have improved over time, but I still very much prefer the results from the patents.

In your opinion, what are the upsides and downsides to working through classics (Shalimar, Fahrenheit, Calèche) using formulas found on the internet?

IMO & IME, it is important to both "work thru" published formulas that are known to perform well AND your own de novo attempts. Here, "work thru" means to systematically vary proportions of various components, as well as test the effects of removing/swapping/adding components. The upside to working with published formulas is that you are doing your experimenting starting from a baseline that is performing well. This is a much easier context to learn materials & their interactions than your own formulas that don't perform well. But it is important to do both. Contrary to the title of this thread, there are no shortcuts to "become extremely better in short time" & reading books is low priority.

 

[RomanB]

Where can I find this book in PDF format?
It must have selectable text.

It isn’t scanned, but most of his formulas for bases are available at TGSC.

Another very important book which isn’t scanned ls by Novak.

 

[Emanuel76]

It isn’t scanned, but most of his formulas for bases are available at TGSC.

So, it's not worth buying the book anymore? I mean, it has 464 pages. Nothing else interesting?

Another very important book which isn’t scanned ls by Novak.

Novak who? I can't find any "Novak" book related to perfumery.

 

[Emanuel76]

11 - an introduction to perfumery (second edition) - tony Curtis and David G. Williams

Is this full of formulas/accords/bases?
I can't find this in PDF format either.
800 pages... I hate paper books!

 

[RomanB]

So, it's not worth buying the book anymore? I mean, it has 464 pages. Nothing else interesting?


Novak who? I can't find any "Novak" book related to perfumery.

Here are contents of one of Novak’s books.

As of Appell, there are also perfume type- formulas. But the more you try to mix them knowing what was in the original, the more distracting and wrong they seem to be.

 

[Emanuel76]

Here are contents of one of Novak’s books.

G. A. NOWAK
Cosmetic preparations
4. improved and extended edition Volume 1
The basics of the composition technique

Yeah! It looks interesting. But I can't find it in English.
I know a little - I can have a basic conversation, but I can't read in German effectively.

 

[RomanB]

Yeah! It looks interesting. But I can't find it in English.
I know a little - I can have a basic conversation, but I can't read in German effectively.

It isn’t digitized and was never translated. But I saw two formulas from it and they are very interesting.

 

[Emanuel76]

It isn’t digitized and was never translated. But I saw two formulas from it and they are very interesting.

240€
Too expensive for a blind buy. 😶

 

[Gadgets82]

Is there anywhere in the US where any of these are under $120+ ?

I already have ellena's books.

 

[LaFou]

Hi Lafou,

I'm a newbie, and your first book recommendation intrigued me: "the formulation and preparation of cosmetics fragrances and flavor - Louis appell (this one very Important to read)"

Have you seen the price it's being sold for, though? I need both of my kidneys. I don't suppose you know of any places to obtain it at a reasonable cost at all?

Hi, yes I know some copies are expensive but You can find it on amazon for fraction of the price if ur lucky, try USA store or France store! Got most of books from there! I had the chance to find used ones for fraction of the price! 😅 I wish you the best of luck on ur hunt

 

[LaFou]

Thank you very much @LaFou i managed to find most of the books you mentioned here. i also like to mention that i really love to recommend this book also (Perfumery: Practice and Principles by Robert R. Calkin, J. Stephan Jellinek)

Thank you my dear, I’ll check it out and update accordingly

 

[LaFou]

Where can I find this book in PDF format?
It must have selectable text.

I found mine i Think on Amazon! But pdf format I have no clue I’m sorry my dear! I will try to send my books collection to a library to make it a soft copy somewhere in the near future! I have to pay heavy toll but Im Digitalizing all my perfumery work and maybe I can share a copy once I do so! If I don’t violate any copyright 😅

 

[LaFou]

Is there anywhere in the US where any of these are under $120+ ?

I already have ellena's books.

Amazon, usa store And france store, and UAE store, I found most of my books there and they were all reasonably priced except for 1, which I dont remember! All were in the range of 40 to 80
some had the option used as new!
I hope that helps!

 

[Gadgets82]

Amazon, usa store And france store, and UAE store, I found most of my books there and they were all reasonably priced except for 1, which I dont remember! All were in the range of 40 to 80
some had the option used as new!
I hope that helps!

Yeah in the US, they were all priced at $40-$80, then the shipping additions all of them to over $120 in the US.
Oh well i suppose ots back to saving for a few pay periods 🤷

 

[LaFou]

Yeah in the US, they were all priced at $40-$80, then the shipping additions all of them to over $120 in the US.
Oh well i suppose ots back to saving for a few pay periods 🤷

oh I’m sorry To read, well, it Is what it is, look like saving a little is the best for now 😅 but it’s worth it believe me