Kouros: Fougere or Chypre?

[HankHarvey]

Fougere without any doubt

 

[Z_LiDs]

Bourdon sayd it's a chypre, and i agree with him...
not at all a fouger for me, it laks a lot of necessary notes from fougere structure ...

 

[Ifti]

Not that clued up on the shifting goalposts of categories. By wear, it feels like chypre to me?

 

[_Nicolas_]

To me, it's a rugged fougere.

 

[Renato]

The old H&R Chart has Kouros sitting between Woody Fougere and Ambery Fougere.
Cheers,
Renato

http://www.leffingwell.com/h&rfragrance/poster_genealogie_masculin.pdf

 

[ihxb01]

Wikiparfum (a collaboration of Michael Edwards and Puig) puts Kouros into the aromatic fougere subfamily of chypre family.

 

[saminlondon]

Wikiparfum (a collaboration of Michael Edwards and Puig) puts Kouros into the aromatic fougere subfamily of chypre family.

That's odd. How can a chypre be a subcategory of fougère??

 

[Pippin06]

I had a bottle of Kouros in the early 80's, and at least then, I believe it was a chypre.

 

[ihxb01]

That's odd. How can a chypre be a subcategory of fougère??

I believe it is an in-joke but you can write an email to Mr. Edwards as I once wrote regarding why current Fougere Royale is a chypre in his base, and got an answer (from his team) that it is because Mr. Edwards, Roja Dove and Rodrigo Flores-Roux decided so.

 

[DudeLebowski]

Too dirty and funky to be a fougere. Its a chypre with slight animalic tendencies.

 

[slpfrsly]

Fragrances don’t always neatly fit into one genre or another. Kouros has aspects of both fougere and chypre. For me, it’s far more fougere than chypre.

+1 to that.

A relevant thread that may be of interest: https://basenotes.com/threads/fouge...ing-of-c21st-global-economics-culture.520563/

 

[saminlondon]

Too dirty and funky to be a fougere. Its a chypre with slight animalic tendencies.

Oh, but there are plenty of funky fougères.

 

[DudeLebowski]

Oh, but there are plenty of funky fougères.

I suppose the same people that say Kourus is fougere, are the same people that think Bracken is a fougere as well.

To me, fougeres are green, mossy, and clean. The word itself means fern. Start throwing in heavy spices, tons of patch, and animalic musk, and it becomes something else. I'm also in the minority that thinks BdJ is a chypre. Sure, it may start off as one, but it ultimately becomes a patchouli bomb.