Is there a manufactured fragrance that captures the scent of this white rose bush?

[Chad Feldheimer]

I am requesting help from one of you fragrance experts.

I am new and know little about scents.

Every May, this giant bush, or maybe that's not what it's called, grows in the back of my house in Hudson Valley, NY. I found out that it is "white rose," but there appear to be many varieties of them.

The scent is amazing. I would like to know if there is a manufactured fragrance that captures the smell of the tiny flowers.

Thanks for your expertise.

P.S. If you scroll down around 4 posts, I was able (finally) to add an image of "knockout roses," which are the ones that seem to resemble the ones to which I am referring.

Thanks.

 

[perfumer86]

i dont know any. but i do know u can buy white rose essential oil. maybe put some in perfumers alcohol and u have a white rose scent? edensbotanicals.com

 

[Adonna]

'useless' may be a bit harsh
this tool bar has helped me out a lot.

If a white rose scent exists, I'm sure someone here will know of it. ☮️
a~~

 

[hednic]

I found out that it is "white rose," but there appear to be many varieties of them.

Is there a way you could find out which variety it is?

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

I want to thank all members for their advice, helpfulness, and kindness.

The closest image I can find is a "knockout rose". For some reason, I was able to attach it here.

I hope it is helpful in answering my inquiry.

Thank you again.

 

[grayspoole]

Hello and welcome to Basenotes—

I enjoy growing roses and I love rose perfumes,

You posted two photos—is the one on the right a photo of the roses from the actual plant?

It could be a white Knock Out rose, but since you say it has a “tiny” flowers and a strong fragrance, I am not sure that it is. “Knock Out” roses are a brand of exceptionally hardy and disease resistant floribunda roses. They are useful garden plants (I have several of them) but they are not especially fragrant (they are not bred for that) nor would I call the flowers “tiny.”

How long do you think that shrub has been there? It could be an older rose variety like this old rambler, Rosa filipes, which does have tiny flowers.



Older species of roses can be intensely fragrant. I inherited an unidentified rambler in my garden that you could smell down the block.

I cannot say that fragrant white roses smell any different from roses in other colors. I think you might need to try different rose perfumes to see which one best captures the scent of the rose in your garden. Unlike many other floral notes, natural rose absolutes and oils are available, so you could explore those as well.

A while ago, we had a good discussion of rose varieties and perfumes with excellent posts by khanada, Pallas Moncreiff, Lellabelle and others. You might find this thread interesting…

https://basenotes.com/threads/rose-varieties-help.478620/

Keep us posted!

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Hello,

First, thank you for your welcoming words.

Second, thank you for your copious reply.

I am going to answer each of your questions as best I can.

Yes, the image on the right is how the actual plant looked when I posted the photo. I am also posting a current image of how the flowers look; you can see that they are dying out. (BTW, the photo on the left is actually of knock-out roses. A reverse image search gave that photo as a similar one, so I find it interesting that you mention knock-out roses.)

Perhaps it is because the bush is so huge (see photo of bush attached) that the fragrance is so powerful. In terms of scale, I estimate that the evergreen-type tree to the left of the rose bush is approx. 25' tall. The rose bush is approx. 15' tall.

The rose bush "came with the house," which I purchased in 2015. I have done nothing to maintain it. In the winter, the climes here can be pretty near 0° F, with snowfall sometimes as high as 2-3'. Every year in May, this rose bush blooms., apparently free of disease or other negative factors.

I am realizing that a word like "tiny" to describe a flower is not particularly helpful without a basis for comparison. The photo that you posted in your reply does resemble the flowers on the rosebush in my backyard. Are those knock-out roses? Is there a specific scent that captures them? My search for rose oil shows a preponderance of oils from Bulgaria that customers seem to like. If I were going to purchase an essential rose oil, is there a type or brand that you would recommend?

Thank you again.

 

[grayspoole]

Hello again.

I mentioned Knock Out roses because you did, but based on the additional photos, I am even less convinced that you have a Knock Out white rose there. The flowers on your rose are held in clusters, and your rose is larger than a Knock Out rose would usually be.

The photo I posted is not a Knock Out rose. It’s an old rambler rose called Rosa filipes, Kiftsgate.

Knowing the exact variety of rose that you have in your garden isn’t going to help you very much when it comes to finding a perfume that resembles it. Rose perfumes are not that specific. And usually a rose note is combined with many other notes and accords. If you want an essentially rose-focused perfume, you need to look for a rose soliflore, like these:

Perfumers Workshop Tea Rose
This is so affordable ($15) and readily available, that I encourage you to try it. You can use it as a room/linen spray if you don’t wear it.

Dame Perfumery Rose de Mai

https://dameperfumery.com/collections/dame-soliflore-rose-de-mai

Jeffrey Dame does a great job with his soliflores.

Alternatively, you could get into natural rose absolutes or oils, but shop for these from reputable sources. Many natural rose oils do come from Bulgaria.

Eden Botanicals offers a great rose sampler

https://www.edenbotanicals.com/rose-aroma-family.html

You can also order small samples of many these materials in dilution for $2-$3.

Another good source is Enfleurage. You could visit and sniff things the next time you’re in NYC.

https://www.enfleurage.com/essential-oils-absolutes/q-s/

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Fascinating!

I was going to oder the Tea Rose (4 fl. oz.) from Perfumers's Workshop as soon as it is restocked, but I found multiple sizes on az (over 4,500 reviews with 76% positive). I placed an order.

Can't imagine that I won't like it.

Thanks again!

 

[kosui no kaori]

Welcome, @Chad Feldheimer!

@grayspoole is a plethora of knowledge (this is a compliment, right? I hope I’m using this in the correct context!), and you definitely came to the right place. I hope that you find your rose!

Tea Rose is a beautiful classic, and a staple in my wardrobe - I’m certain you’ll enjoy it.

 

[Toxicon]

Fascinating!

I am going to oder the Tea Rose (4 fl. oz.) from Perfumers's Workshop as soon as it is restocked.

Can't imagine that I won't like it.

Thanks again!

In case it helps, Tea Rose should be pretty easy to find in stock for good prices. Here's a link to the Amazon listing, which has it in stock for less than $15: https://www.amazon.com/Tea-Rose-Perfumers-Workshop-Women/dp/B000C234ZY/

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Wow!

Tea Rose by Perfumer's Workshop arrived today. It's pretty amazing. Everything positive that anyone wrote is true. Thank you, esp. "grayspoole," for leading me in the right direction!

 

[grayspoole]

Wow!

Tea Rose by Perfumer's Workshop arrived today. It's pretty amazing. Everything positive that anyone wrote is true. Thank you, esp. "grayspoole," for leading me in the right direction!

So glad you are enjoying the roses!

 

[PStoller]

@grayspoole is a plethora of knowledge (this is a compliment, right? I hope I’m using this in the correct context!)

A “plethora” is a large quantity, so it would be more correct to say that @grayspoole has a plethora of knowledge (as indeed she has).

 

[kosui no kaori]

A “plethora” is a large quantity, so it would be more correct to say that @grayspoole has a plethora of knowledge (as indeed she has).

Noted - I won’t forget it!

Thank you 🙂

 

[grayspoole]

Noted - I won’t forget it!

Thank you 🙂

I enjoy receiving compliments at all times, and in any expression.

 

[kosui no kaori]

I enjoy receiving compliments at all times, and in any expression.

You deserve them all! ❤️

 

[Scent Detective]

Hello again.

I mentioned Knock Out roses because you did, but based on the additional photos, I am even less convinced that you have a Knock Out white rose there. The flowers on your rose are held in clusters, and your rose is larger than a Knock Out rose would usually be.

The photo I posted is not a Knock Out rose. It’s an old rambler rose called Rosa filipes, Kiftsgate.

Knowing the exact variety of rose that you have in your garden isn’t going to help you very much when it comes to finding a perfume that resembles it. Rose perfumes are not that specific. And usually a rose note is combined with many other notes and accords. If you want an essentially rose-focused perfume, you need to look for a rose soliflore, like these:

Perfumers Workshop Tea Rose
This is so affordable ($15) and readily available, that I encourage you to try it. You can use it as a room/linen spray if you don’t wear it.

Dame Perfumery Rose de Mai

https://dameperfumery.com/collections/dame-soliflore-rose-de-mai

Jeffrey Dame does a great job with his soliflores.

Alternatively, you could get into natural rose absolutes or oils, but shop for these from reputable sources. Many natural rose oils do come from Bulgaria.

Eden Botanicals offers a great rose sampler

https://www.edenbotanicals.com/rose-aroma-family.html

You can also order small samples of many these materials in dilution for $2-$3.

Another good source is Enfleurage. You could visit and sniff things the next time you’re in NYC.

https://www.enfleurage.com/essential-oils-absolutes/q-s/

Wow...I'm impressed by your helpfulness Greyspoole. Thanks for being so cool. I love Basenotes!

 

[mixerscent]

Shiseido White Rose Natural may be what you're looking for.

https://boisdejasmin.com/2013/02/shiseido-white-rose-natural-perfume-review.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373839897417