How to make perfume with fragrance oil?

[shihanpk]

I had bought some fragrance oils from givaudan and luzi and i begin to mix oil at 25% and 75% denatured perfumers ethanol I didn't add any fixatives
I kept it for agening in fridge for 2 days
And i sprayed 10-15 sprays but it wont lasting more than 30 minuites
Im shocked that oils from these famous brands not lasting even 1 hour
I bought arround 5 different oils from both brands any of them not lasting more than 30 minuites
And is this problem because I didn't add any fixatives?
If i have to add fixatives can i add same fixatives for all type of oils

 

[Capybaron]

The answer is: You don´t.

Fragrance oils are not made to be used as perfume or used as a perfumery ingredient. This is because most simply are not designed to be useful for perfumery and also because you can´t really know what they consist of exactly, so it´s very hard to combine them properly with other ingredients. (Depending on the fragrance oil they also already consist of various, different, perfumery notes which further makes it difficult to add to them.)

For perfumery you use aroma chemicals, essential oils and absolutes, co2 extracts, sometimes tinctures.

Also, depending on what kind of fragance oils you´ve bought, it isn´t unsual for scents to vanish after a short time. Some scents are just very fleeting.

Fixatives won´t help you with making fragrance oils last longer and while they are being used in perfumery their effectiveness isn´t as high as most people tend to think; Whether a perfume lasts long mainly depends on the ingredients being used, while fixatives only play a minor role and have to be properly used for many of them are also able to dull, or weaken, a fragrance.

 

[ourmess]

"Fragrance oils" are not for perfumery.

 

[shihanpk]

"Fragrance oils" are not for perfumery

But there are so many perfume sellers that they mix oil and alcohol
this is recently know as perfume bars
They also mixing specific brand inspired oil and alcohol right? Their perfumes are very long lasting why?
I also bought inspired fragrance oil and i mix that with alcohol
For example i bought tom ford tobacco vanille inspired oil and i mix that inspired oil with 75% alcohol so i will get inspired tom ford vanille perfume for cheap rate right? But no lasting

 

[Capybaron]

But there are so many perfume sellers that they mix oil and alcohol
this is recently know as perfume bars

I´m not sure whether you are simply mistaken here. Perfumers definitely combine essential oils and alcohol. Some perfumes are also oil based instead based on alcohol. Fragrance oils are not used in perfumery.

I don´t know whether there are many sellers which actually combine fragrance oils with alcohol and sell them- But if there are, it doesn´t mean that they produce something good.

They also mixing specific brand inspired oil and alcohol right? Their perfumes are very long lasting why?
I also bought inspired fragrance oil and i mix that with alcohol

I´ve never heard of somebody combining "brand inspired oils" with alcohol and creating a decent perfume. This generally is not done in professional perfumery.
But as always, it depends on the chemicals used. Maybe the oils being used are long lasting by nature, maybe they don´t just combine fragrance oils and alcohol but also a host of other chemicals.

For example i bought tom ford tobacco vanille inspired oil and i mix that inspired oil with 75% alcohol so i will get inspired tom ford vanille perfume for cheap rate right? But no lasting

No, you won´t, or at the very least, you likely will not.
Most perfumes consist of a multidude of different chemicals and are very complex. A fragrance oil will, almost always, be vastly less complex and not designed for use as a perfume.

If you mix Tom ford tobacco vanille inspired oil with alcohol you will get a diluted form of tom ford tobacco vanille inspired oil and not a diluted form of the perfume. Both can, and likely will, behave and smell vastly different.

Consider the logical aspect- If creating an expensive perfume on the cheap would that so easy, the expensive perfume couldn´t last on the market.

 

[David Ruskin]

I was not aware that either Givaudan or Lutzi sold directly to the public. Are you sure that you bought your fragrance oils from these big perfume houses? Are you sure that the fragrance oils you bought are genuine and of good quality? Clearly these oils are not doing a good job if they do not last longer than 30 minutes. I don't think they are genuine. I think you have been duped.

 

[shihanpk]

I was not aware that either Givaudan or Lutzi sold directly to the public. Are you sure that you bought your fragrance oils from these big perfume houses? Are you sure that the fragrance oils you bought are genuine and of good quality? Clearly these oils are not doing a good job if they do not last longer than 30 minutes. I don't think they are genuine. I think you have been duped.

My seller told me this is givaudan or luzi
And its smell 99% similar to orginal brand perfumes
But it wont last

 

[shihanpk]

Brother

I´m not sure whether you are simply mistaken here. Perfumers definitely combine essential oils and alcohol. Some perfumes are also oil based instead based on alcohol. Fragrance oils are not used in perfumery.

I don´t know whether there are many sellers which actually combine fragrance oils with alcohol and sell them- But if there are, it doesn´t mean that they produce something good.





I´ve never heard of somebody combining "brand inspired oils" with alcohol and creating a decent perfume. This generally is not done in professional perfumery.
But as always, it depends on the chemicals used. Maybe the oils being used are long lasting by nature, maybe they don´t just combine fragrance oils and alcohol but also a host of other chemicals.



No, you won´t, or at the very least, you likely will not.
Most perfumes consist of a multidude of different chemicals and are very complex. A fragrance oil will, almost always, be vastly less complex and not designed for use as a perfume.

If you mix Tom ford tobacco vanille inspired oil with alcohol you will get a diluted form of tom ford tobacco vanille inspired oil and not a diluted form of the perfume. Both can, and likely will, behave and smell vastly different.

Consider the logical aspect- If creating an expensive perfume on the cheap would that so easy, the expensive perfume couldn´t last on the market.

Brother we are formulating with aroma chemicals right?
Im telling that we can buy that ready made formulated concentrates from different brands like givaudan,luzi etc
So we have to mix only alcohol to make perfumes we dont have to formulate by taking longer periods for already formulated smells like tobacco vanille,sauvage,bleu de chanel etc this is already formulated right? So we can buy that formulated concentrates
I will show you a perfume bar picture
See that picture there are different dispensers in that shop each dispenser contains different brand inspired perfume concentrate when we buy a perfume from them they will mix 25% oil and 75% alcohol and give it to us

 

[David Ruskin]

My seller told me this is givaudan or luzi
And its smell 99% similar to orginal brand perfumes
But it wont last

Then I am sorry to tell you, but I think your seller lied. When you say that the fragrance oil smelled 99% similar to the original brands, did you compare them yourself? Clearly they are not the same, as they do not last in the same way. They are cheap rip-offs of original fragrances, the Top notes maybe are similar, but the rest is not. I am afraid there is nothing you can do about this, except, maybe, complain to your seller. You have been duped.

 

[Capybaron]

Brother

Brother we are formulating with aroma chemicals right?
Im telling that we can buy that ready made formulated concentrates from different brands like givaudan,luzi etc

Such readily made concentrated are usually referred to as bases. Altough, i don´t know where one would buy a base "inspired" by some famous perfume.

Example: I have a tuberose base here, which is a synthetic recreation of the smell of tuberose. This would be something entirely different than a tuberose fragrance oil. The first is being used in perfumery in order to replace an expensive ingredient, or as a variation of it, the latter would be made to smell like tuberose, but might not be useful in perfumery.

So we have to mix only alcohol to make perfumes we dont have to formulate by taking longer periods for already formulated smells like tobacco vanille,sauvage,bleu de chanel etc this is already formulated right? So we can buy that formulated concentrates

Also, perfumery is not that easy, which might be something to consider going forward.

Sure, you can mix some ingredients with alcohol and have a perfume consisting of a single ingredient.

But as soon as you add even just two things together it get´s far more complicated and you have to carefully determine which dosage works. And the challenge grows exponentially from there.

Like, sure, i can mix some bergamot essential oil and some Jasmine essential oil, get the dosages right, and it will have a decent scent of bergamot and jasmine. But it will be pretty short lived and on the dry-down you might notice that you dislike the smell of the indole, an ingredient in jasmine which lasts longer than many other materials, left on your skin, without any other scents to support it.

If i want to make it last longer or if want to accentuate some aspects of the scent, or mask others, things get far, far more complicated. And it will take years of experience and many, many, many mistakes and experiments to get it just right.

I will show you a perfume bar picture

See that picture there are different dispensers in that shop each dispenser contains different brand inspired perfume concentrate when we buy a perfume from them they will mix 25% oil and 75% alcohol and give it to us

But they won´t be using fragrance oils in that case. In that case they will use "Proper" blends of various chemicals aiming to recreate a perfume, or scent, made specifically for perfumery. Either they have created them themselves, or they buy them from someone else.

But i´m not knowledgeable, or interested, in the market of "knock-off" perfume, so i can´t help in this regard.

The only thing i can tell you are that such knock-offs, if they are of actual use in perfumery, won´t be labeled as a fragrance oil.

 

[ourmess]

My seller told me this is givaudan

They lied.

I also bought inspired fragrance oil and i mix that with alcohol

You bought a cheap ripoff. It turned out to be...a cheap ripoff.

 

[shihanpk]

Then I am sorry to tell you, but I think your seller lied. When you say that the fragrance oil smelled 99% similar to the original brands, did you compare them yourself? Clearly they are not the same, as they do not last in the same way. They are cheap rip-offs of original fragrances, the Top notes maybe are similar, but the rest is not. I am afraid there is nothing you can do about this, except, maybe, complain to your seller. You have been duped.

I have same orginal perfume i would say that top and middle note would exactly same

 

[shihanpk]

Such readily made concentrated are usually referred to as bases. Altough, i don´t know where one would buy a base "inspired" by some famous perfume.

Example: I have a tuberose base here, which is a synthetic recreation of the smell of tuberose. This would be something entirely different than a tuberose fragrance oil. The first is being used in perfumery in order to replace an expensive ingredient, or as a variation of it, the latter would be made to smell like tuberose, but might not be useful in perfumery.


Also, perfumery is not that easy, which might be something to consider going forward.

Sure, you can mix some ingredients with alcohol and have a perfume consisting of a single ingredient.

But as soon as you add even just two things together it get´s far more complicated and you have to carefully determine which dosage works. And the challenge grows exponentially from there.

Like, sure, i can mix some bergamot essential oil and some Jasmine essential oil, get the dosages right, and it will have a decent scent of bergamot and jasmine. But it will be pretty short lived and on the dry-down you might notice that you dislike the smell of the indole, an ingredient in jasmine which lasts longer than many other materials, left on your skin, without any other scents to support it.

If i want to make it last longer or if want to accentuate some aspects of the scent, or mask others, things get far, far more complicated. And it will take years of experience and many, many, many mistakes and experiments to get it just right.




But they won´t be using fragrance oils in that case. In that case they will use "Proper" blends of various chemicals aiming to recreate a perfume, or scent, made specifically for perfumery. Either they have created them themselves, or they buy them from someone else.

But i´m not knowledgeable, or interested, in the market of "knock-off" perfume, so i can´t help in this regard.

The only thing i can tell you are that such knock-offs, if they are of actual use in perfumery, won´t be labeled as a fragrance oil.

Such readily made concentrated are usually referred to as bases. Altough, i don´t know where one would buy a base "inspired" by some famous perfume.

Example: I have a tuberose base here, which is a synthetic recreation of the smell of tuberose. This would be something entirely different than a tuberose fragrance oil. The first is being used in perfumery in order to replace an expensive ingredient, or as a variation of it, the latter would be made to smell like tuberose, but might not be useful in perfumery.


Also, perfumery is not that easy, which might be something to consider going forward.

Sure, you can mix some ingredients with alcohol and have a perfume consisting of a single ingredient.

But as soon as you add even just two things together it get´s far more complicated and you have to carefully determine which dosage works. And the challenge grows exponentially from there.

Like, sure, i can mix some bergamot essential oil and some Jasmine essential oil, get the dosages right, and it will have a decent scent of bergamot and jasmine. But it will be pretty short lived and on the dry-down you might notice that you dislike the smell of the indole, an ingredient in jasmine which lasts longer than many other materials, left on your skin, without any other scents to support it.

If i want to make it last longer or if want to accentuate some aspects of the scent, or mask others, things get far, far more complicated. And it will take years of experience and many, many, many mistakes and experiments to get it just right.




But they won´t be using fragrance oils in that case. In that case they will use "Proper" blends of various chemicals aiming to recreate a perfume, or scent, made specifically for perfumery. Either they have created them themselves, or they buy them from someone else.

But i´m not knowledgeable, or interested, in the market of "knock-off" perfume, so i can´t help in this regard.

The only thing i can tell you are that such knock-offs, if they are of actual use in perfumery, won´t be labeled as a fragrance oil.

Please check this link below this is my seller website:-

https://bulkaroma.com/product/dark-drive-232480-a-luzi/

 

[shihanpk]

Please check this link below this is my seller website:-

https://bulkaroma.com/product/dark-drive-232480-a-luzi/

 

[Capybaron]

I have same orginal perfume i would say that top and middle note would exactly same

I mean, to put this matter at rest, you could post pictures of the oils you´ve bought and from where and then people could exactly tell you what is wrong with the stuff you´ve bought.

Edit: You´ve added a link to your seller. At first glance the shop sells aroma chemicals, which should be fine, if they are not adultered or something, but i have no idea what dark drive is supposed to be.

If it´s something Luzi offers, and if it smells or performs differently, then it´s something different, simple as that.

But it might simply be a mixture of chemicals which don´t last long.

 

[shihanpk]

I mean, to put this matter at rest, you could post pictures of the oils you´ve bought and from where and then people could exactly tell you what is wrong with the stuff you´ve bought.

Edit: You´ve added a link to your seller. At first glance the shop sells aroma chemicals, which should be fine, if they are not adultered or something, but i have no idea what dark drive is supposed to be.

If it´s something Luzi offers, and if it smells or performs differently, then it´s something different, simple as that.

But it might simply be a mixture of chemicals which don´t last long.

Dark drive is that luzi concentrate name which inspired from roja dove scandal pour homme
And one more question how to know whether the aroma chemicals adultered or not?

 

[Solua Botanica]

There is a lot of experienced perfumers on this forum. There has been lots of discussion on 'fragrance oils' and fraudulent copies.
I suggest you look at what has been said before. If it was as simple as adding fragrance oils to alcohol, I don't think we would be working so hard to build complex formulas with oils, absolutes and ACs. There's a reason why we are passionate about the art, it takes experience and skill to create a beautiful perfume or to try to recreate an existing fragrance.

 

[Capybaron]

Dark drive is that luzi concentrate name which inspired from roja dove scandal pour homme
And one more question how to know whether the aroma chemicals adultered or not?

I´m honestly not familiar with Luzi and i can´t finde that much useful information about them offhand.

But as has been said- If it´s "inspired", or rather copied, from another scent it will perform differently, unless they copied it exactly. You simply can´t expect to buy a perfume copy and expect it to perform just as well as the original.

Lot´s of work and experimentation goes into developing a well rounded, long lasting, strong perfume. Any copy will, in most cases, either not be able to recreate it exactly and/or it will cut corners in order to reduce the price of doing so, that is, if they try to replicate it faithfully.

If "Inspired by" means that they took some notes and created something which might vaguely go in the same direction of the original, it will of course be vastly different.

There is no single "fixative" ingredient or anything you can add to make a scent last vastly longer. Either the perfume is constructed to be long lasting, or it isn´t.

I added the comment about adulteration as an off-hand remark, don´t put too much stock into it. To answer the question, nevertheless, well, you would have to compare it to the same chemical from a proven source. (Apart from having it checked out in some labratory.)

Altough the prices for the aroma chemicals on this site are extremely low. Might be that those chemicals are just vastly cheaper in india, which is very possible.

 

[shihanpk]

I´m honestly not familiar with Luzi and i can´t finde that much useful information about them offhand.

But as has been said- If it´s "inspired", or rather copied, from another scent it will perform differently, unless they copied it exactly. You simply can´t expect to buy a perfume copy and expect it to perform just as well as the original.

Lot´s of work and experimentation goes into developing a well rounded, long lasting, strong perfume. Any copy will, in most cases, either not be able to recreate it exactly and/or it will cut corners in order to reduce the price of doing so, that is, if they try to replicate it faithfully.

If "Inspired by" means that they took some notes and created something which might vaguely go in the same direction of the original, it will of course be vastly different.

There is no single "fixative" ingredient or anything you can add to make a scent last vastly longer. Either the perfume is constructed to be long lasting, or it isn´t.

I added the comment about adulteration as an off-hand remark, don´t put too much stock into it. To answer the question, nevertheless, well, you would have to compare it to the same chemical from a proven source. (Apart from having it checked out in some labratory.)

See this compund this is from givaudan

 

[pkiler]

Hello Shihan from Pakistan, copycat fragrance oils are perfumes stolen from the real perfumers. Thus is plainly theft. We don't support the theft of work by other Perfumers.