Dark wood note

[Mak-7]

Greetings,

Wanted to ask for help with a specific idea in my head that i cant seem to resolve.

I have been to a Humidor and inside there was this extremely nice scent of dark wood. And it smelled how the picture i will attach at the bottom looks.

When i think of it, it reminds me of a really concentrated cedarwood with a bit of motor oil, just a smidge and this dark patina that i cant figure out what it can be.

Amongst the materials i have, i think that cocoa and coffee, nutmeg, maybe a touch of amber, but with tests i did i cant reach that dark profile no matter what. And some other materials add sweetness, which i am trying to avoid.

Overall in the industry there are things like ebony wood, macassar that are supposed to be dark, but i didnt, or wasnt looking hard enough, for extraits. And it would be really helpful to have this note or accord for various projects.

I dont have many wood extracts and isolations, so could you please help me out with some good materials that would be helpful? Also, id appreciate materials to be as naturally smelling as possible, some aromachems simply give me headaches.

Many thanks

 

[ScentAle]

Cedarwood with norlimbanol and some labdanum sev and/or some oud accord or something like black agar? I find black agar base useful for a woody darkness.
Some leathery materials can darken woody also in that way.

 

[steventeddy]

I found that the Oakwood Base by Ventos can add woody darkness.

 

[Solua Botanica]

How about a tobacco absolute ? Since you loved the smell of the humidor, it may be what you need, along with some of the suggestions mentioned above by others.

 

[Citroasis]

Oakwood base (or CO2)
Ysamber K
Amberwood F
Agar Givco

These tend to lean dark to me. But you can always add some tobacorol to something to give it a dark woody humidor type effect

 

[Mak-7]

Cedarwood with norlimbanol and some labdanum sev and/or some oud accord or something like black agar? I find black agar base useful for a woody darkness.
Some leathery materials can darken woody also in that way.

Thank you, norlimbanol is a no to me, its super headache inducing. I would need to really dillute it to maybe 0.001 and try it, but at 1% dillution i use currently its too strong and in my experience just adds scratchiness, not darkness.
Labdanum i tried however it is not enough on its own. I will research on oudy bases.

 

[Mak-7]

I found that the Oakwood Base by Ventos can add woody darkness.

I have CO2 of oakwood from PSH and it smells like a white creamy wood to me, not a dark note. Is "base" a different beast?

 

[Mak-7]

How about a tobacco absolute ? Since you loved the smell of the humidor, it may be what you need, along with some of the suggestions mentioned above by others.

I want to build a darker base first, to which i want to add tobacco and some rum on top. When i currently add it to cedarwood or blend, its still not as dark as i want it to be. I want it almost interlude like dark, but to still have cedarwood noticeable.

 

[Mak-7]

Oakwood base (or CO2)
Ysamber K
Amberwood F
Agar Givco

These tend to lean dark to me. But you can always add some tobacorol to something to give it a dark woody humidor type effect

Thank you, ysamber and amberwood are listed as dry, woody and either fresh or with ambergris note. Would they add to darkness if its fresh and with ambergris? That seems to be leaning towards different direction? Thanks for educating me further

 

[pkiler]

The Humidor is most often made with Spanish Cedar Wood, and as far as I know, I am the only Perfumer worldwide who uses the essential oil, and it took me ten years to find a supplier who makes it for me.

But back to "dark woods", my scent Maderas de Oriente Oscuro, or Dark Woods of the Orient, uses a combination of things, which includes the Wood (260106) base from Firmenich. I'd also look at the several fine wood bases available from Firmenich. You can also look at many of the other fine suggestions above.
To add darkness, often phenolic materials helps this immensely, and also consider quinolines as well.

 

[Mak-7]

The Humidor is most often made with Spanish Cedar Wood, and as far as I know, I am the only Perfumer worldwide who uses the essential oil, and it took me ten years to find a supplier who makes it for me.

But back to "dark woods", my scent Maderas de Oriente Oscuro, or Dark Woods of the Orient, uses a combination of things, which includes the Wood (260106) base from Firmenich. I'd also look at the several fine wood bases available from Firmenich. You can also look at many of the other fine suggestions above.
To add darkness, often phenolic materials helps this immensely, and also consider quinolines as well.

Thank you very much
Not well versed in phenolic and quinolines(only ibq which is green and unpleasant to me) so will do more reading.

On the spanish cedarwood, is it naturally darker aroma? I have cedarwood superrectified and its best cedar i found to date.

 

[steventeddy]

I have CO2 of oakwood from PSH and it smells like a white creamy wood to me, not a dark note. Is "base" a different beast?

I've never evaluated oakwood co2 before so I can't say. It's darker than the Cedar Virginia EO I have from Eden, though that in itself is not very dark.

 

[ScentAle]

Thank you very much
Not well versed in phenolic and quinolines(only ibq which is green and unpleasant to me) so will do more reading.

On the spanish cedarwood, is it naturally darker aroma? I have cedarwood superrectified and its best cedar i found to date.

The super rect is much lighter than standard Virginia.
The oakwood can change so much, some is stronger and darker than other, and more on the top notes, some other is more creamy and in the base. The Ventos extract is amazing, and the co2 Evonik Firmenich is very good too and more in the top, very dark. The English Hermitage 13 years aged is softer and almost benzoinic, very different.
The wood base suggested by Paul is lovely and dark! I dont know if correct, but I always smelled some quinolines in this wood base.

 

[pkiler]

Spanish Cedar is actually a Mahogany family tree.
Have you ever put a piece of Phillipine mahogany on the tablesaw and cut it up?
That would be closer to Spanish cedar wood EO, than any of the other Cedar wood oils.
It's not a heavy scent, and it has some rather unusual molecules not really available, so making a replacer is more difficult, close to nearly impossible.

 

[parker25mv]

If you're looking into the "sandalwood ACs" try Ebanol, for a dark nutty wood.

 

[Mak-7]

The super rect is much lighter than standard Virginia.
The oakwood can change so much, some is stronger and darker than other, and more on the top notes, some other is more creamy and in the base. The Ventos extract is amazing, and the co2 Evonik Firmenich is very good too and more in the top, very dark. The English Hermitage 13 years aged is softer and almost benzoinic, very different.
The wood base suggested by Paul is lovely and dark! I dont know if correct, but I always smelled some quinolines in this wood base.

Cedarwoods overall are not dark smelling woods anyways, based of raw wood smell i tried, but Super rec i find to have good clarity and concentration of wood note without extra additives. One bottle of cedarwood i purchased has almost cat piss note in it, which is repulsive and hard to combat.
So that is why i am searching for extra materials to darken the wood, give it more body, but keep that pleasant cedarwood profile

 

[Mak-7]

Spanish Cedar is actually a Mahogany family tree.
Have you ever put a piece of Phillipine mahogany on the tablesaw and cut it up?
That would be closer to Spanish cedar wood EO, than any of the other Cedar wood oils.
It's not a heavy scent, and it has some rather unusual molecules not really available, so making a replacer is more difficult, close to nearly impossible.

Dont have much experience with mahogany, no. Would need to take a trip to the store where they have it and check it out.
Maybe you had experience with fossilized amber extractions, i have read that they are dark and smoky material, could it be of help in my case?
Thanks

 

[Mak-7]

If you're looking into the "sandalwood ACs" try Ebanol, for a dark nutty wood.

Not quite into sandalwoods, but recently purchased dreamwood base which if offering similar effect i believe. I will be using it, but i dont see it as a darkening agent, more so to give wood a polished, glossy type aroma

 

[steventeddy]

One bottle of cedarwood i purchased has almost cat piss note in it, which is repulsive and hard to combat.

Did you get the 'inimitable' atlas cedar EO?

 

[pkiler]

Dont have much experience with mahogany, no. Would need to take a trip to the store where they have it and check it out.
Maybe you had experience with fossilized amber extractions, i have read that they are dark and smoky material, could it be of help in my case?
Thanks

Yes, I have the fossilized Amber pyrogenated amber essential oil. It is dark, yes, because of the phenolics and pyrogenated molecules in it.
Other Phenolics are Eugenols, Xylenols, and (Phenol, of course in particular, except you aren't supposed to use it...).