Club de Nuit Intense Man vs. Creed Aventus

[NeoXerxes]

He beats the dead horse about this in practically every thread he's in about high price is equivalent to high quality. It's all fun and games until Dior shows up and debunks his myth. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.


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You are misquoting me. I've never claimed that high price automatically equals high quality. And if you are going to make comments about me on a public forum, please address me directly. No need to get hostile.

 

[Preston H]

Royal vintage by M. Michallef is the best Aventus clone. Anything else is gonna be a waste of money. Even if you try three of these other lame attempts at it for $15-$20 each, it's still a waste of $60. So my question to people searching for a clone, is it just the price, or are you looking for something similar but different?

 

[silentrich]

You are misquoting me. I've never claimed that high price automatically equals high quality. And if you are going to make comments about me on a public forum, please address me directly. No need to get hostile.

You beat a dead horse about this over and over do you not? Who's getting hostile? Lol. If you don't want people to question your outlook about this subject then let it rest. You obviously want a debate so you're getting one.


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[Preston H]

You are misquoting me. I've never claimed that high price automatically equals high quality. And if you are going to make comments about me on a public forum, please address me directly. No need to get hostile.

The hostility comes from the fact that some people think that when you make statements about quality in perfume between more expensive brands and less expensive brands, you're insulting them. I agree with you on that, but when you say it you're gonna have to prepare to offend some members who are sensitive. To them, it's like someone calling their child ugly or something. It's been a sensitive topic since I joined and probably before that. I try not to step on that land mine anymore

 

[NeoXerxes]

The hostility comes from the fact that some people think that when you make statements about quality in perfume between more expensive brands and less expensive brands, you're insulting them. I agree with you on that, but when you say it you're gonna have to prepare to offend some members who are sensitive. To them, it's like someone calling their child ugly or something. It's been a sensitive topic since I joined and probably before that. I try not to step on that land mine anymore

I'm not sure how anyone could possibly misinterpret my comments so significantly. I've never insulted anyone and have been nothing but polite. There is no reason why my subjective evaluations should be taken so personally, and certainly it doesn't warrant an aggressive response.

Critique is impossible if we aren't able to discuss issues without some people getting offended and lashing out.

 

[Kiliwia]

You beat a dead horse about this over and over do you not? Who's getting hostile? Lol. If you don't want people to question your outlook about this subject then let it rest. You obviously want a debate so you're getting one.


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There's no need for anyone to get hostile. If you can't control what you say, go take a break for a few minutes and get some perspective.

 

[JiveHippo]

Critique is impossible if we aren't able to discuss issues without some people getting offended and lashing out.

Critique is also impossible if you've never actually tried the fragrance being discussed, but you seem to have overlooked that.

 

[sdotlow]

The hostility comes from the fact that some people think that when you make statements about quality in perfume between more expensive brands and less expensive brands, you're insulting them. I agree with you on that, but when you say it you're gonna have to prepare to offend some members who are sensitive. To them, it's like someone calling their child ugly or something. It's been a sensitive topic since I joined and probably before that. I try not to step on that land mine anymore

Not insulting them, but treading on their willful ignorance - or maybe even self imposed delusions.

It's oddly like arguing with religious people, and about just as productive in my experience.

 

[NeoXerxes]

Critique is also impossible if you've never actually tried the fragrance being discussed, but you seem to have overlooked that.

1. I gave a fairly thorough epistemological argument earlier in this thread as to why it is quite possible. I did it. It is your opinion that this is impossible, but it isn't mine. We disagree and that is okay. I didn't overlook anything.

2. It happens regularly on Basenotes, and is a big part of our community, how opinions are formulated, and how new lines are explored.

 

[JiveHippo]

1. I gave a fairly thorough epistemological argument earlier in this thread as to why it is quite possible. I did it. It is your opinion that this is impossible, but it isn't mine. We disagree and that is okay. I didn't overlook anything.

2. It happens regularly on Basenotes, and is a big part of our community, how opinions are formulated, and how new lines are explored.

In that case, you should add your Club de Nuit review to the directory. :laugh:

 

[silentrich]

There's no need for anyone to get hostile. If you can't control what you say, go take a break for a few minutes and get some perspective.

So my post is considered hostile, but someone with the opposite views post is considered passionate? So a member can post about this subject over and over in multiple threads and I post something once and I'm the hostile party.


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[deadidol]

Come on guys, let's mellow it out a bit. This thread's pretty simple: if you've tried both, talk about them. If you haven't, give them a try and let people know what you think. If you don't want to try both, then that's fine too, but there are probably plenty of other Aventus threads going right now that people could jump into to discuss Aventus in many, many other ways.

I recently tried a scent called Rasari (I think that's what it was called) that proposed to be a replica of Amouage's Interlude Man and, even though there were minuscule differences (and I mean minuscule), I actually preferred the Rasari (and I own a bottle of Interlude Man). My point is that replicas can be surprisingly revealing at times and really put into perspective what actually goes into the scents we love. And if anyone's curious as to what's really in Aventus, there was a post not too long ago in DIY about a group purchase of a GC/MS. I haven't seen it, but from what I understand it was quite telling to say the least. Knowing the specifics of how something's made doesn't always cheapen the deal, but can sometimes make you appreciate the cleverness of a composition even more. That's been my experience in the few times that've been able to "peek behind the curtain" as it were.

With that said, let's drop the hostility and keep on with the discussion. If you haven't tried the scents in question, give them a try — you never know what you'll find!

 

[Kiliwia]

So my post is considered hostile, but someone with the opposite views post is considered passionate? So a member can post about this subject over and over in multiple threads and I post something once and I'm the hostile party.


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You are right Silentrich, I should not have had your quote in with my post, I'm sorry for the mistake. I was referring to everyone in the thread that was getting heated.

 

[davidmichael42]

Come on guys, let's mellow it out a bit. This thread's pretty simple: if you've tried both, talk about them. If you haven't, give them a try and let people know what you think. If you don't want to try both, then that's fine too, but there are probably plenty of other Aventus threads going right now that people could jump into to discuss Aventus in many, many other ways.

I recently tried a scent called Rasari (I think that's what it was called) that proposed to be a replica of Amouage's Interlude Man and, even though there were minuscule differences (and I mean minuscule), I actually preferred the Rasari (and I own a bottle of Interlude Man). My point is that replicas can be surprisingly revealing at times and really put into perspective what actually goes into the scents we love. And if anyone's curious as to what's really in Aventus, there was a post not too long ago in DIY about a group purchase of a GC/MS. I haven't seen it, but from what I understand it was quite telling to say the least. Knowing the specifics of how something's made doesn't always cheapen the deal, but can sometimes make you appreciate the cleverness of a composition even more. That's been my experience in the few times that've been able to "peek behind the curtain" as it were.

With that said, let's drop the hostility and keep on with the discussion. If you haven't tried the scents in question, give them a try — you never know what you'll find!

would that happen to be rasasi colognes? If not who makes it? thanks

 

[deadidol]

would that happen to be rasasi colognes? If not who makes it? thanks

I've been trying to find the link ever since I wrote that! It's actually Barari by Misk Al Nukhbah. I only got a sample of it, but I was impressed. It's slightly less sweet in the base and that oregano top is dialed in a notch. I was impressed by it!

Anyhow, back on track!

 

[silentrich]

You are right Silentrich, I should not have had your quote in with my post, I'm sorry for the mistake. I was referring to everyone in the thread that was getting heated.

You guys and gals have a hard job. I don't want to make it any harder.

 

[NeoXerxes]

Come on guys, let's mellow it out a bit. This thread's pretty simple: if you've tried both, talk about them. If you haven't, give them a try and let people know what you think. If you don't want to try both, then that's fine too, but there are probably plenty of other Aventus threads going right now that people could jump into to discuss Aventus in many, many other ways.

I recently tried a scent called Rasari (I think that's what it was called) that proposed to be a replica of Amouage's Interlude Man and, even though there were minuscule differences (and I mean minuscule), I actually preferred the Rasari (and I own a bottle of Interlude Man). My point is that replicas can be surprisingly revealing at times and really put into perspective what actually goes into the scents we love. And if anyone's curious as to what's really in Aventus, there was a post not too long ago in DIY about a group purchase of a GC/MS. I haven't seen it, but from what I understand it was quite telling to say the least. Knowing the specifics of how something's made doesn't always cheapen the deal, but can sometimes make you appreciate the cleverness of a composition even more. That's been my experience in the few times that've been able to "peek behind the curtain" as it were.

With that said, let's drop the hostility and keep on with the discussion. If you haven't tried the scents in question, give them a try — you never know what you'll find!

Deadidol, I respectfully disagree with your side point that one must properly sample an imitator and knockoff In order to have a considered opinion on it. Others might disagree with me, and might hold less value for such an opinion, but that doesn't make it any less valid or worth hearing. Discussing that topic and making polite and reasoned points on the matter is directly relevant to the thread topic. This form of critique materializes regularly on other threads, but I am directly and openly providing epistemological justification for it.

As for testing the scent in question, I've given reasons earlier in the thread why it would fall short as a knockoff. It wouldn't become any more innovative or original upon testing, and it is highly unlikely that it is of higher quality than Aventus (in my own estimation), so I am comfortable discussing the topic without having purchased a sample or bottle.

In case it is unclear to other posters, I'm disagreeing with an ancillary argument that has been advanced and not a moderation decision.

 

[Fahrenheit13]

I think there's no question about this fact: you can't judge a fragrance unless you've smelled it.

Fragrances are all about smell. If you haven't smelled it, you can't make an opinion on it. This should be obvious.

Personally for me, I have no need to try CDNI because I have Aventus and I have AB Silver. I think the real deal for special occasions and a cheaper clone for wearing around the house or whatever is sufficient. If I wasn't happy with the Lomani I might consider getting rid of it and trying CDNI but I find the Lomani to be great.

I can't offer an opinion on CDNI because I haven't tried it... It could be awesome, it could be crap....


Ps- this is a firecracker of a thread, I'm enjoying reading it

 

[NeoXerxes]

I think there's no question about this fact: you can't judge a fragrance unless you've smelled it.

Fragrances are all about smell. If you haven't smelled it, you can't make an opinion on it. This should be obvious.

Personally for me, I have no need to try CDNI because I have Aventus and I have AB Silver. I think the real deal for special occasions and a cheaper clone for wearing around the house or whatever is sufficient. If I wasn't happy with the Lomani I might consider getting rid of it and trying CDNI but I find the Lomani to be great.

I can't offer an opinion on CDNI because I haven't tried it... It could be awesome, it could be crap....

Ps- this is a firecracker of a thread, I'm enjoying reading it

I disagree, but venturing into another justification of my perspective would be off topic.

 

[deadidol]

Deadidol, I respectfully disagree with your side point that one must properly sample an imitator and knockoff In order to have a considered opinion on it. Others might disagree with me, and might hold less value for such an opinion, but that doesn't make it any less valid or worth hearing. Discussing that topic and making polite and reasoned points on the matter is directly relevant to the thread topic. This form of critique materializes regularly on other threads, but I am directly and openly providing epistemological justification for it.

I don't disagree with you. I think it's entirely possible to write something off without trying it based on personal preference. I think it's also helpful to voice a reason as to why you don't think it's worthwhile, but I don't see much point in making such a claim more than once in a discussion that's clearly about comparison through direct experience. From my own perspective, I'm inclined to agree that knockoffs are usually terrible and pointless and whatnot (both in the low-ticket and the high-ticket categories), but my experience with the Interlude knockoff is enough proof that I simply don't know until I try it for myself—which certainly speaks to epistemological limitation!

Good points made by all, but for the sake civility, let's maybe step back and take deep breath, and remember that we're talking about perfume.