ChatGPT accords

[shackener]

It's not a tool like a wrench, a hammer, a pen, or a pipette are tools. It is a research tool for aggregating information. Unfortunately, it disregards the truth so it is less than useful for its sole purpose. Research does in fact require citation, and LLMs ("AI" is a marketing term) are built to gloss over their sources, given how much of their sources are taken without the the creator's consent. Speculation as to what it "can be" is baseless hype at this point, as right now it's only good at stealing and lying.

There was no speculation in the use cases I listed. It is able to be used for research where citation is needed, already. It is a tool, while you are treating it like another human being, who "steals" and "lies". If you treated it like a tool, you'd be one search away on how to use it in a way where it does not disregard truth, research, scientific sources and results. Another search away on the origins of its (chatgpt's for this example) training data and how it did not "steal", just did what you could do given your internet connection, computer and power supply, albeit at a magnitude faster pace.

It is a tool and should be treated as such. "AI (or LLMs ) bad" people are the new "internet/computer/television/automobile/etc.etc. bad" people of our time. If you consider yourself to be in this group of people don't worry, you'll come around. This has always happened before and history does repeat itself.

tl;dr simple point/opinion of mine: AI (*LLMs!!!) not bad

 

[Gadgets82]

Im gonna throw some things put there that may or may not make a few people uncomfortable.

1st, Chatgpt is useless in perfume making from what i have seen. It cares not for ethics or correctness. It also has allowed for some serious social, creative, and belief based bias written into its programming and algorithms by its creators, ie as many people have posted on social media such as twitter, facebook, and instagram, the blatant biased answers recieved from chatgpt by only switching one or two purposed words in identical questions.

2nd, the art programs you speak of are now in a court battle from stealing over 4 billion online images from artists that created them. They used those 4 billion images to "teach" the ai as they say. When in reality all it is actually doing is mashing up, a collage if you will of bits of those images and calling it "original" artwork.

We know this because a couple thousand artist have found signatures of art they created in those images. So what you are essentially doing is advocating theft.

So whats to stop chatgpt, recognizing someones base/accord for some specific note, lets say "peach." Now say i posted a peach base on here and noted on said post, that i had this accord trademarked, whats to stop gpt from accessing said post, commandeering said base and reiterating it to you and a couple thousand other people, as if it were its own original creation?
Nothing but an ethical choice, which chatgpt has shown a complete lack of, ie the lawsuit theyre currently going through from it convincing a man he'd be better off committing suicide than seeking professional help.

This is why its called ARTIFICIAL intelligence, it can be rewritten, reprogrammed to suit whatever the creator has its bias in.
AI shouldnt make you excited, it should terrify you. This is just another way for certain entities to control the flow and type of information a mass of people recieve.

Whats to stop IFF saying we will give you X amount of dollars, to have your ai give our trademarked ingredients in your "accord" formula answers. 🤔🤨

Thats my 5 cents on AI right now. Especially on the creative side.

 

[mnitabach]

Im gonna throw some things put there that may or may not make a few people uncomfortable.

1st, Chatgpt is useless in perfume making from what i have seen. It cares not for ethics or correctness. It also has allowed for some serious social, creative, and belief based bias written into its programming and algorithms by its creators, ie as many people have posted on social media such as twitter, facebook, and instagram, the blatant biased answers recieved from chatgpt by only switching one or two purposed words in identical questions.

2nd, the art programs you speak of are now in a court battle from stealing over 4 billion online images from artists that created them. They used those 4 billion images to "teach" the ai as they say. When in reality all it is actually doing is mashing up, a collage if you will of bits of those images and calling it "original" artwork.

We know this because a couple thousand artist have found signatures of art they created in those images. So what you are essentially doing is advocating theft.

So whats to stop chatgpt, recognizing someones base/accord for some specific note, lets say "peach." Now say i posted a peach base on here and noted on said post, that i had this accord trademarked, whats to stop gpt from accessing said post, commandeering said base and reiterating it to you and a couple thousand other people, as if it were its own original creation?
Nothing but an ethical choice, which chatgpt has shown a complete lack of, ie the lawsuit theyre currently going through from it convincing a man he'd be better off committing suicide than seeking professional help.

This is why its called ARTIFICIAL intelligence, it can be rewritten, reprogrammed to suit whatever the creator has its bias in.
AI shouldnt make you excited, it should terrify you. This is just another way for certain entities to control the flow and type of information a mass of people recieve.

Whats to stop IFF saying we will give you X amount of dollars, to have your ai give our trademarked ingredients in your "accord" formula answers. 🤔🤨

Thats my 5 cents on AI right now. Especially on the creative side.

Totally agree that LLMs as currently deployed are a mechanism for enormous corporations to strip mine & monetize creative output of others without paying for it AND to surveil & control the lives & economic activity of users.

 

[persus]

Im gonna throw some things put there that may or may not make a few people uncomfortable.

1st, Chatgpt is useless in perfume making from what i have seen. It cares not for ethics or correctness. It also has allowed for some serious social, creative, and belief based bias written into its programming and algorithms by its creators, ie as many people have posted on social media such as twitter, facebook, and instagram, the blatant biased answers recieved from chatgpt by only switching one or two purposed words in identical questions.

2nd, the art programs you speak of are now in a court battle from stealing over 4 billion online images from artists that created them. They used those 4 billion images to "teach" the ai as they say. When in reality all it is actually doing is mashing up, a collage if you will of bits of those images and calling it "original" artwork.

We know this because a couple thousand artist have found signatures of art they created in those images. So what you are essentially doing is advocating theft.

So whats to stop chatgpt, recognizing someones base/accord for some specific note, lets say "peach." Now say i posted a peach base on here and noted on said post, that i had this accord trademarked, whats to stop gpt from accessing said post, commandeering said base and reiterating it to you and a couple thousand other people, as if it were its own original creation?
Nothing but an ethical choice, which chatgpt has shown a complete lack of, ie the lawsuit theyre currently going through from it convincing a man he'd be better off committing suicide than seeking professional help.

This is why its called ARTIFICIAL intelligence, it can be rewritten, reprogrammed to suit whatever the creator has its bias in.
AI shouldnt make you excited, it should terrify you. This is just another way for certain entities to control the flow and type of information a mass of people recieve.

Whats to stop IFF saying we will give you X amount of dollars, to have your ai give our trademarked ingredients in your "accord" formula answers. 🤔🤨

Thats my 5 cents on AI right now. Especially on the creative side.

I disagree.

Your post is scattered with falsehoods and shows a lack of understanding of Large Language Models in general.

Yes, ChatGPT can be biased, but this is not programmed into to it by it’s creators and is simply a result of machine- and/or deep learning on massive amounts of data.

You are wrong about ChatGPT not caring about ethics or correctness. There is a framework with ethical and moral guidelines which ChatGPT processes prompts in.

It is not useless for perfume making.
You make a point about ChatGPT being able to steal someone else’s accord or base by recognizing it, somehow. How is this different from GCMS scans? You cannot patent scents.

If Artificial Intelligence terrifies you, you don’t understand it. AI is the future and it is just as revolutionary as the Internet has been.

People have never had it better and this is thanks to technological and social advancements.

 

[Jolieo]

AI uses a huge amount of energy- they are sponsoring it right now because they want to sell it- but they will charge - and whether the cost will be on par with humans for tThe same services remains to be seen.
because of regulations- perfumery for the masses seems to rely to some extent on captives- and of-course the search for more captives- AI can’t smell- so it can’t infer from information what any new combinations might smell like-unless the big perfume houses start investing in AI- now that might be interesting-
for awhile anyway
The Japanese have a long tradition of marveling at and revering flaws that occur naturally, and while I don‘t doubt that AI will eventually be able to chase that down, the cost of using AI for that will probably not be worth it-
As for writing copy, I believe AI can imitate by fabrication ( it could blog - but it’s experiences would have to be lies) -until AI becomes aware and has access to experiences- ( which I believe could happen) it won’t be good at everything- it will only be good at things that require having all information available and using that to project outcome- so diagnostics of anything- I mean I would use an AI mechanic, doctor, agricultural anything, air controller( but lookout if there’s a virus, a power outage)
This stuff is new- and with todays profit margin being slimmer and slimmer- businesses will cost cut by using AI - but that isn’t the same as generating more revenue- and I haven’t heard anything about AI boosting sales-
As for perfume- it would have to make the perfume, test it and understand which way to go to be more appealing- and we all know that trials can be endless , we use our noses, and our preferences to decide- but AI has no preference- it can only infer from information what it believes our preferences can be - so it is a bit like Parker-it hasn’t smelled anything, and since it had relatively few perfume formulas , and endless variations on the the same ones , with no information as to whether humans prefer any of them- it really can’t do much
It knows which paintings, music, books etc we like -and it can “see” the content - both are available- so it is going to be much more successful in those realms- but it is still culling from the aggregate , recombining on a massive scale
I would doubt there is original content- it would have to have to have a message that needed to say- it would have to have a need to communicate in order to have originality

 

[mnitabach]

I disagree.

Your post is scattered with falsehoods and shows a lack of understanding of Large Language Models in general.

Yes, ChatGPT can be biased, but this is not programmed into to it by it’s creators and is simply a result of machine- and/or deep learning on massive amounts of data.

You are wrong about ChatGPT not caring about ethics or correctness. There is a framework with ethical and moral guidelines which ChatGPT processes prompts in.

It is not useless for perfume making.
You make a point about ChatGPT being able to steal someone else’s accord or base by recognizing it, somehow. How is this different from GCMS scans? You cannot patent scents.

If Artificial Intelligence terrifies you, you don’t understand it. AI is the future and it is just as revolutionary as the Internet has been.

People have never had it better and this is thanks to technological and social advancements.

This is all technotriumphalist delusion.

 

[ourmess]

technotriumphalist

This is my word of the day now.

 

[Solua Botanica]

Yes, ChatGPT can be biased, but this is not programmed into to it by it’s creators and is simply a result of machine- and/or deep learning on massive amounts of data.

I don't believe that for one second

You are wrong about ChatGPT not caring about ethics or correctness. There is a framework with ethical and moral guidelines which ChatGPT processes prompts in.

I don't believe that for two seconds

If Artificial Intelligence terrifies you, you don’t understand it. AI is the future and it is just as revolutionary as the Internet has been.

I understand it, and while it may be more present in the future, it doesn't mean it's revolutionary.

People have never had it better and this is thanks to technological and social advancements.

Not so sure about his one... yes some technological advancements can be great. But just look at the state of the world today...
People have never had it better ?

This is all technotriumphalist delusion.

This is what I also believe...

 

[jsweet]

There is a framework with ethical and moral guidelines which ChatGPT processes prompts in.

That information is actually not public. So either you work for OpenAI (now ClosedAI), or you are making baseless claims.

https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf

"Given both the competitive landscape and the safety implications of large-scale models like GPT-4, this report contains no further details about the architecture (including model size), hardware, training compute, dataset construction, training method, or similar."

 

[persus]

That information is actually not public. So either you work for OpenAI (now ClosedAI), or you are making baseless claims.

https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf

"Given both the competitive landscape and the safety implications of large-scale models like GPT-4, this report contains no further details about the architecture (including model size), hardware, training compute, dataset construction, training method, or similar."

That information is very public.

But then of course, only someone who has never used ChatGPT would ever make such a statement.

Here is ChatGPT explaining it for you:

"As an AI language model developed by OpenAI, I am programmed to follow strict ethical guidelines that prioritize the well-being and safety of users and society. I am designed to adhere to legal and ethical standards, which means I cannot provide assistance or engage in activities that promote harm, facilitate illegal actions, or violate the platform's usage policies.

If you request information or guidance that is unethical, harmful, or in violation of these guidelines, I will not be able to fulfill your request. My purpose is to provide useful and responsible information while respecting the principles of ethics and morality."

 

[persus]

I understand it, and while it may be more present in the future, it doesn't mean it's revolutionary.

...

Not so sure about his one... yes some technological advancements can be great. But just look at the state of the world today...
People have never had it better ?

Yes, people have never had it better.

 

[persus]

This is all technotriumphalist delusion.

And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.

 

[Gadgets82]

I disagree.

Your post is scattered with falsehoods and shows a lack of understanding of Large Language Models in general.

Yes, ChatGPT can be biased, but this is not programmed into to it by it’s creators and is simply a result of machine- and/or deep learning on massive amounts of data.

You are wrong about ChatGPT not caring about ethics or correctness. There is a framework with ethical and moral guidelines which ChatGPT processes prompts in.

It is not useless for perfume making.
You make a point about ChatGPT being able to steal someone else’s accord or base by recognizing it, somehow. How is this different from GCMS scans? You cannot patent scents.

If Artificial Intelligence terrifies you, you don’t understand it. AI is the future and it is just as revolutionary as the Internet has been.

People have never had it better and this is thanks to technological and social advancements.

Name 1 falsehood.....ill wait.

Is chatgpt biased, YES its been shown.
Can bias be written into the algorithm, YES, as language bias towards certain races and or nationalities have been shown, so where are those ethics and frameworks you speak of?? It didnt learn to speak ill of races and nationalities on its own as it has none to base its response on.

You wouldnt know of these ethical and moral frameworks because thats not public information. Unless you work for them and are now using this platform to pitch and push your companies product 🤔.

There are quite a few lawsuits in the works, against AI. Involving everything i already stated. One only needs google.

So name 1 falsehood.

 

[persus]

Name 1 falsehood.....ill wait.

Is chatgpt biased, YES its been shown.
Can bias be written into the algorithm, YES, as language bias towards certain races and or nationalities have been shown, so where are those ethics and frameworks you speak of?? It didnt learn to speak ill of races and nationalities on its own as it has none to base its response on.

You wouldnt know of these ethical and moral frameworks because thats not public information. Unless you work for them and are now using this platform to pitch and push your companies product 🤔.

There are quite a few lawsuits in the works, against AI. Involving everything i already stated. One only needs google.

So name 1 falsehood.

Okay!

It cares not for ethics or correctness.

It does.

It also has allowed for some serious social, creative, and belief based bias written into its programming

You have no actual proof of this. There is evidence, but it is inconclusive.

You wouldnt know of these ethical and moral frameworks because thats not public information.

It is public. You can ask ChatGPT itself and it will tell you exactly what I said.

 

[ourmess]

You can ask ChatGPT itself

You...do realize that ChatGPT literally makes up its responses, right? That's why people have tried using it for research only to have it cite authors, research, and papers that don't exist.

 

[jsweet]

Just asking ChatGPT about its sources has led to some pretty serious professional consequences for some folks.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...e-up-by-chatgpt-judge-calls-it-unprecedented/

 

[Gadgets82]

Okay


It does.

It doesnt or it wouldnt be found plagiarizing and outright stealing others material.

You have no actual proof of this. There is evidence, but it is inconclusive.

There is plenty of people posting said answers that show the bias on twitter and other social platforms, only someone who is being willfully obtuse will deny that. "Theres evidence, but theres no proof" 🤦

It is public. You can ask ChatGPT itself and it will tell you exactly what I said.

No that information is not public.
Good try though.

So im glad that in your response, there wasnt a single falsehood you could point to, in my statement. So, we are done here.

 

[mnitabach]

It's kind of amazing that a delusional (or intentionally lying?) proponent of large-scale corporate theft & surveillance found their way to this little forum...

 

[Gadgets82]

To quote what a famous character once said....“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”

 

[persus]

So im glad that in your response, there wasnt a single falsehood you could point to, in my statement. So, we are done here.

I agree, there is no point in arguing with people who live in fantasyland…