ChatGPT accords

[jfrater]

Would it not be as effective to use dice? Or pick from a list of ingredients at random? Or just use the skills of a perfumer.

There have been several posts devoted to this subject and I still do not see the point.

Exactly this. However, the way of the world today, someone will use it to make a perfume and it will spawn a million clones and people chasing batch numbers etc.

John Cage basically did this with music - aleatoric music - literally using randomness (via the I Ching) to compose. The result is just what you'd expect and the Youtube comments are full of people admiring it and "intellectually" critiquing it (non-ironically).

Lutosawski did the same thing.

 

[Perfumer_]

Machine learning evolves over time, the chat models can only get better. What you see today will be blown out of the water by exponential increases in technology.

 

[Casper_grassy]

This is now the second time you’ve mentioned “John Cage”. I have been a jazz fusion guitarist (been slacking recently) for quite some years now and I fancy off beat key changes tied together by slight similarities in chords and chromaticism, but this John Cage guy is a f’in menace and needs to be stopped.

 

[Perfumer_]

From the last time that we had this discussion, here is my solution to the numbers problem.

Very very cool, I did not see this initially

 

[Alex F.]

This is now the second time you’ve mentioned “John Cage”. I have been a jazz fusion guitarist (been slacking recently) for quite some years now and I fancy off beat key changes tied together by slight similarities in chords and chromaticism, but this John Cage guy is a f’in menace and needs to be stopped.

This reminded me of a quote by Cage that I stumbled across here on Basenotes a while ago. I had to look for a while until I found it. Coincidentally, it was posted on this day last year. https://basenotes.com/threads/is-this-hobby-an-act-of-mindfulness.523824/post-5640107
In it, Cage explains "purposeless music" as a means for the listeners of being more themselves, more in the now. Which goes to show that you can find a plausible-sounding explanation for even the most obvious, literal non-sense. Nonsense has curious effects - it can make us question what the hell it is we're doing, or it can spur our creativity in trying to make sense of it.
Similarly, the nonsense chat-bots sprout can make us despair over the state of the world, or it can be a creative impulse. Or it can be crazy annoying. On that note, I think we've experienced "talking" to chat-bots in the form of Parker and Roman (I'm quite serious).

 

[jfrater]

This reminded me of a quote by Cage that I stumbled across here on Basenotes a while ago. I had to look for a while until I found it. Coincidentally, it was posted on this day last year. https://basenotes.com/threads/is-this-hobby-an-act-of-mindfulness.523824/post-5640107
In it, Cage explains "purposeless music" as a means for the listeners of being more themselves, more in the now. Which goes to show that you can find a plausible-sounding explanation for even the most obvious, literal non-sense. Nonsense has curious effects - it can make us question what the hell it is we're doing, or it can spur our creativity in trying to make sense of it.
Similarly, the nonsense chat-bots sprout can make us despair over the state of the world, or it can be a creative impulse. Or it can be crazy annoying. On that note, I think we've experienced "talking" to chat-bots in the form of Parker and Roman (I'm quite serious).

Roman is real we communicate elsewhere.

 

[Alex F.]

Roman is real we communicate elsewhere.

I see. Some of the stuff he's been posting sounds suspiciously bot-produced to me.

 

[Casper_grassy]

This reminded me of a quote by Cage that I stumbled across here on Basenotes a while ago. I had to look for a while until I found it. Coincidentally, it was posted on this day last year. https://basenotes.com/threads/is-this-hobby-an-act-of-mindfulness.523824/post-5640107
In it, Cage explains "purposeless music" as a means for the listeners of being more themselves, more in the now. Which goes to show that you can find a plausible-sounding explanation for even the most obvious, literal non-sense. Nonsense has curious effects - it can make us question what the hell it is we're doing, or it can spur our creativity in trying to make sense of it.
Similarly, the nonsense chat-bots sprout can make us despair over the state of the world, or it can be a creative impulse. Or it can be crazy annoying. On that note, I think we've experienced "talking" to chat-bots in the form of Parker and Roman (I'm quite serious).

I like the idea of it, but actual music can do that, from a moral standpoint I genuinely dislike his approach but gdamn I can’t knock his hustle.

They’re both definitely humans.


But all jokes aside, can we all agree John Cage is the Geza Schon of music?

 

[Darren Alan]

Off topic, but it puts me out of a job too:

Create a news story about the following new release for a perfume news website:
Name: Dorian’s Fougère
Top Notes: bergamot spike lavender petitgrain bigarade mastic leaf
Heart Notes: carnation geranium hawthorne hay absolute sambac jasmine neroli tonka bean absolute
Base Notes:balsam mysore sandalwood patchouli labdanum saffron absolute oakmoss vintage musk vintage civet Perfumer: Darran Alan
Sizes and Price: 50ml Parfum ($155.00 USD) 10ml Parfum($37.00 USD)
Inspired by: Oscar Wilde's novel "The Picture of Dorian Gray" (maybe add a synopsis of the novel)

---

Perfume lovers, get ready to indulge in the new release from Darran Alan, "Dorian's Fougère," inspired by Oscar Wilde's famous novel "The Picture of Dorian Gray."

This exquisite fragrance boasts a blend of bergamot, spike lavender, petitgrain bigarade, mastic leaf, carnation, geranium, hawthorne, hay absolute, sambac jasmine, neroli, tonka bean absolute, balsam, mysore sandalwood, patchouli, labdanum, saffron absolute, oakmoss, vintage musk, and vintage civet.

This luxurious scent is available in two sizes, 50ml and 10ml parfum, priced at $155.00 USD and $37.00 USD, respectively. The novel "The Picture of Dorian Gray" explores the dangers of vanity and the desire for eternal youth, which is reflected in the scent's unique blend of vintage and modern ingredients.

Experience the essence of this classic tale with "Dorian's Fougère," the latest addition to Darran Alan's fragrance collection.

Damn! I need to get this thing to write up my website copy! This is scary!

 

[Phoenix_Rose]

The machine certainly misses the "Nuance" required to make something distinguished..

Perhaps a good starting point, or something random to inspire thought and creativity, given.

You could create your own nerual network based on your preferences of AC combinations and amounts, and then have it generate random formulae for you, if you so wish.

The human touch, however, is King.

 

[jsweet]

While I agree with everyone saying that these machines cannot replace human beings, I think what we will increasingly find is that they are not at all designed to replace human beings. Rather, they are designed precisely to be "babysat" by human beings. The idea is that the machines will be able to reduce the cost of labor, and that what were once highly skilled positions can be downgraded to A.I. babysitters. This is the workforce that capital is building. Let the machine do the creative work, and let the human make sure the machine doesn't write or depict anything too sloppy, shocking, or offensive. Or in the case of perfumery, make sure it isn't violating IFRA or dosing materials out of proportion.

I can think of some other things that the tech sector has tried to push onto the public as our new reality and a foregone conclusion that have failed to materialize: safe and reliable self-driving cars, "wearable" smart technology (remember google glass?). We can hope that consumers reject it.

 

[Phoenix_Rose]

While I agree with everyone saying that these machines cannot replace human beings, I think what we will increasingly find is that they are not at all designed to replace human beings. Rather, they are designed precisely to be "babysat" by human beings. The idea is that the machines will be able to reduce the cost of labor, and that what were once highly skilled positions can be downgraded to A.I. babysitters. This is the workforce that capital is building. Let the machine do the creative work, and let the human make sure the machine doesn't write or depict anything too sloppy, shocking, or offensive. Or in the case of perfumery, make sure it isn't violating IFRA or dosing materials out of proportion.

I can think of some other things that the tech sector has tried to push onto the public as our new reality and a foregone conclusion that have failed to materialize: safe and reliable self-driving cars, "wearable" smart technology (remember google glass?). We can hope that consumers reject it.

The "creativity" required needs real life human experience and foresight to be relevant. AI can only formulate ideas, and only a human can perfect them.

Watch it play out; people will place too much responsibility on AI and art will suffer tremendously.

 

[jfrater]

Damn! I need to get this thing to write up my website copy! This is scary!

The latest shopify rollout now has built in "write this for me" in all product descriptions - connected to this AI stuff. Horrid. Just as it seemed that humans had rendered language down to a subset of the same trite and cliched terms all over the internet, they found a way to go one better: remove the human entirely. Now humans can take a break from trying to say "super awesome" "amazing" "olfactory journey" and the likes. Sad.

I should add that I may have fallen victim to writing some of my own trite and cliched phrases so I don't claim to be not guilty.

 

[Phoenix_Rose]

The latest shopify rollout now has built in "write this for me" in all product descriptions - connected to this AI stuff. Horrid. Just as it seemed that humans had rendered language down to a subset of the same trite and cliched terms all over the internet, they found a way to go one better: remove the human entirely. Now humans can take a break from trying to say "super awesome" "amazing" "olfactory journey" and the likes. Sad.

I should add that I may have fallen victim to writing some of my own trite and cliched phrases so I don't claim to be not guilty.

I do believe there is a difference between utilising tech to generate a description, and utilising tech to create a formula..

As we all should know, tech “language models” can easily regurgitate the info blurb of today.. but only we (the humans) can create the formulas of tomorrow ❤️

 

[David Ruskin]

Damn! I need to get this thing to write up my website copy! This is scary!

No Darren, you really, really don't. You can be much more creative and original than that.

 

[ErroneousFact]

All I know is a computer will never beat a human chess champion. I wasn't impressed with "AI" until I was, with midjourney making really cool movie screenshots. It won't surprise me in the least when a program invents a great fragrance, which is only a matter of time. (Though I wonder how people will decide which ones to actually make and test.) All the philosophy about what it takes to be creative doesn't matter much if it smells good and unique.

 

[mnitabach]

All I know is a computer will never beat a human chess champion. I wasn't impressed with "AI" until I was, with midjourney making really cool movie screenshots. It won't surprise me in the least when a program invents a great fragrance, which is only a matter of time. (Though I wonder how people will decide which ones to actually make and test.) All the philosophy about what it takes to be creative doesn't matter much if it smells good and unique.

Sorry, but are you being sarcastic? It's been well over a decade since computer chess programs pulled ahead of the best human grandmasters & now easily beat them every single time.

 

[Casper_grassy]

There’s a chess bot called “Stockfish” and it smokes everybody.

When I play bots on my chess app sometimes their Elo doesn’t reflect certain moves they can do as in, I think in some cases dependent on how I/you are playing, it changes it’s skill level and pulls these IM/GM moves out its ass and then I lose 😢

It’s also super difficult to be able to pull years of thousands of chess game data and be able to recall certain moves with the best outcome instantly which it does and most if not all humans can’t, is it impossible, no, but I doubt it.

 

[ErroneousFact]

Sorry, but are you being sarcastic? It's been well over a decade since computer chess programs pulled ahead of the best human grandmasters & now easily beat them every single time.

What's sarcastic? I actually live in 1992 and I've never heard of it so it must have been invented later.

Yes computers beat human champs, but people said they never would years before it happened, which parallels saying they can't do other things like create good fragrances.

 

[Alex F.]

The latest shopify rollout now has built in "write this for me" in all product descriptions - connected to this AI stuff. Horrid. Just as it seemed that humans had rendered language down to a subset of the same trite and cliched terms all over the internet, they found a way to go one better: remove the human entirely. Now humans can take a break from trying to say "super awesome" "amazing" "olfactory journey" and the likes. Sad.

I should add that I may have fallen victim to writing some of my own trite and cliched phrases so I don't claim to be not guilty.

One of the problems with texts on the internet is Google. I worked for a search engine optimisation office for a summer once during my uni years. That was really disillisioning. When writing a text on a certain topic for a webpage, algorithms tell you which keywords to use and how many times to use them in order for Google to give the page a better rank. (You don't think a keyword makes much sense in that specific context, you're struggling to integrate it in the text? Doesn't matter. Put it in.) Then there's the problem that using copied text hurts your ranking. So if you're offering a product sold on lots of other platforms and it comes with a ready-made advert text, you need to reformulate that so that it looks more "original"/"new", or risk a bad ranking. I'd expect that AI is much better at this, especially since it doesn't get frustrated.